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CITY OF YELM PLANNING COMMISSION
MONDAY, DECEMBER 20, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No
1 This meeting was called to order at 4:05 p m by
Planning Commission Chair Tim Schlosser
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Members present: Joe Huddleston, Tom Gorman, Tim
Schlosser, Tom Cundy, Roberta Longmire, E J Curry,
George Knight Members absent: Ken Garmann, John
Kinnee Staff present: Ty Peterson, Mark Cook,
Shelly Badger
Motion by E.J Curry to approve the Minutes from
12-6-93 with changes correcting the names with regard
to attendance. Seconded by Roberta Longmire Motion
carried
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Nettleton War.housLSite Pl~n: Tim opened the public
hearing and staff preceded with a staff report of the
proposal Ty Peterson began by presenting the Planning
Departments findings and SEPA mitigation strategy for
traffic The Planning Dept recommended approval
conditioned upon the SEPA, septic design approval from
the City Sewer Dept and Engineering Dept
requirements Mark Cook went on describe some of key
points required by the Engineering Dept Mark touched
on issues surrounding access (proof of access would be
required), sidewalks (deferral would be supported),
drainage (variance supported for storage requirements),
and street lighting Discussion took place about
the proposed adjacent development Howard Nettleton
explained what easements he had regarding access
Mark explained that the existing development on Mr
Nettletons property would not be affected by this
proposal There was no public comments
Motion to approve the Nettleton Site-Plan (SPR8094),
based upon staff recommendations dated 12-15-93 and
Engineering requirements dated 12-15-93, by E J. Curry
Seconded by George Knight. Motion carried.
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Request for variance from the Sign Ordinance: Tim
Schlosser opened the public hearing Ty Peterson
explained that the proposal was for a variance
from the size requirements for a off-premise sign
The Planning Dept found that the requirements for
granting a variance were not met and therefore does not
support recommendation for approval to the City
Council There was no public comment
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Motion to not recommend approval of the variance based
on the findings made by the Planning Dept by Tom
Gorman Seconded by E J. Curry. Motion carried.
Jerry Prock, City Building Official, explained that
the City is aware of the existing non-conformtng signs
and has begun a procedure to start eliminating them,
and that some signs have been granted permit on a
temporary basis
4 Development Standards update: Mark Cook informed the
Commission that nothing more had been done Tim
Schlosser elaborated on the kind of information that
he felt the Commission would like to see, some sort of
visual explanation of what the various standards mean
5 Affordable Housing: Ty Peterson informed the
Commission that the regional study on affordable
housing had not been completed and that the information
was not available at this time
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"Make Yelm Attractive" Committee Ty Peterson informed
the Commission that this committed was active and
enthusiastic about doing something. The Planning Dept
was recommending that the committee move in the
direction of preliminary design guidelines to be
approved by the City, instead of the formation of
another approving body Tom Gorman stated his concern
that some standard be set for the community but at
the same time not create a burden on property rights
Ty stated that things are still very preliminary in
nature and he will keep the Commission informed
7 Other: Tim Schlosser asked about the situation
regarding the changed access location to the Nisqually
Plaza Mark responded that things are still under
negotiation, and that the City did not want to
jeopardize the Yelm Avenue Improvement Design
Adjourned at 5:05 p m
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105 Yelm Avenue West
POBox 479
Yelm, Washington 98597
(206) 458-3244
AGENDA
CITY OF YEIM -PLANNIN:; CCMUSSION'MEETIN:;
MONDAY, DECEMBER 20, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YEIM: CITY HALL axJNCU.. aIAMBERS, 105 YEIM AVE. W.
1. Call to Order, Roll Call, Approval of Minutes
December 6, 1993Jminutes
2. Coptinued Public Hearing (Continued fran ~r 6, 1993) - Nettleton
Warehouse S.j.te Plan
3 ~ Public Hearing ~ ReqUest for VarianCe fran' Sign Ordinance
4. Engineeriqg Update
5. Developrent Standanl Update
6 . ~fordable Housmg infonnation (requested December 6, mfonnation will be
distributed at ~ting)
9. Adjourn
Enclosures are available to non-Commission members upon request.
If you need special arrangements to attend or participate in this
rreeting, please contact Agnes Colombo, City Clerk, at 458-8404
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105 Yelm Avenue West
, POBox 479
Yelm, fVashingtim 98597
(206) 458-3244
AGENDA
CITY OF YEIM PLANNnx; ;~ISSION' MEETIN:;
MQillAY, DECEM3ER 6, 1993, 4:00 P.M.,
YE;IM CITY HALL COONCIL ~RS', 105 'tEIM AVE. ,We
1. Call to Order; Roll Call, APProval of ~utes
November 15, 1993 minutes
2. CoIltinued Public Hearing (Continued frart November 15, 1993) - Nettleton
WarehouSe Site Plan
3. Affordable Housing briefing
o 4 . SW Yelm Annexa:tipn update
5. Correspondence:
a. Yelin Planning updq:te
p., Resolution No. 302
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6. other
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Enclosures are available to non-Commission members upon request.
If you peed special arrangeIrents to 'attend or participate in this,
rreeting, please contact Agnes Colombo, City Clerk, at 458-8404
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CITY OF YELM PLANNING COMMISSION
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 15, 1993, 4:00 P M
YELM CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No
1 This meeting was called to order at 4:00 p m by
Planning Commission Chair Tim Schlosser
Members present: Tim Schlosser, John Kinnee, Joe
Huddleston, George Knight, Roberta Longmire, E J
Curry, Ken Garmen, Tom Cundy Staff present: Ty
Peterson, Mark Cook, Shelly Badger City Council
person Martha Parsons was present (excluding the
public hearings)
Approval of minutes from November 1, 1993 was accepted
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Continued Public Hearing for Nettleton Warehouse Site-
Plan: Ty Peterson informed the Planning Commission
that Mr Nettleton had not submitted the drainage plan
and staff had not been able to complete a staff report
Ty Peterson requested that the Planning Commission
continue the public hearing once again to avoid the
costs and time associated with re-publication of the
hearing at a later date
93-28
Motion by E J Curry to continue the Nettleton site-
plan public hearing until December 6, 1993 George
Knight seconded, motion carried
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Public Hearing - Determination of Similar Use in
Commercial C-1 zone: Ty Peterson explained how the
issue surrounding the storage of landscape material
came about and that the zoning ordinance did not
specifically allow this use Ty requested that the
Planning Commission make a recommendation to City
Council and that it is understood that this
determination is not project specific and would affect
zoning city wide
Discussion took place as to the amount of material
that could be stored, types of material, storage
requirements, and requirements from the City of
Olympia Staff clarified that the issue is whether or
not to allow the outside storage of material such as;
soil, bark, gravel, other fill material, landscape
timbers, small trees and potted plants, rocks, etc
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Motion by Roberta Longmire to recommond to City
Council that the outside storage and sale of landscape
materials be permitted as an accessory use to a
nursery or garden center Material such as top soils,
bark, gravel and dirt, shall be contained with
appropriate bunkering, remain retail in nature, and
have some size limitations Seconded by George
Knight, Motion carried
4 SW Yelm Annexation Update: Shelly Badger informed the
Planning Commission that an acceptable annexation
agreement looked likely and that a public hearing
would be held for the final adoption and approval of
the annexation with the agreement at the November 23
City Council Meeting
Some Planning Commission members informed staff that
they no longer received the City Council mailings
Staff said they would look into it
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November 23, 1993 a f for dab 1 e hous i ng s 1 ide
presentation/discussion: Ty Peterson requested on
behalf of PACTECH Engineering that Planning Commission
members attempt to attend the presentation
Discussion took place about the Chamber of Commerce
DeSign Committee and that there is a proposal from
Burger King at the Nisqually Plaza siteCPad #3)
Staff explained what the presentation on affordable
housing would be about and it's importance in the
realm of development standards Shelly Badger
discussed findings made by the fair-share housing
committee
6 Other. Roberta Longmire asked about Intercity
Transit, and where they stand on the new service
Staff informed the Commission that all indications
from IT was that service was currently better than
they had anticipated
Discussion took place about the Commute Trip Reduction
Law, with LASCO's and the City's involvement
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105 Yelm Avenue West -
POBox 479
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CITY OF YEIM PLANNIN:;a:HnSSION MEETIK;
MONDAY, K>VEM3ER 15, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YE:Q14 CITY HALL COUOCILCW\MBERS, 105 YEIM AVE. W.
1. Call to Order ,Roll Call, Approval of Mihut~s
November 1, 1993 minut~s
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Warehouse Site- ,Plan
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3. Public Hearing - Det~nnination of SiInilar Use in C<XIIlercial C-l Zone
C 4. SW Yelm AnnexatiQnupdate
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7 . ~journ
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MONDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1G~3! 4100 P M
YELM CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No
1 This meeting was called to order 4:05 p m by
Planning Commission Chair Tim Schlosser
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Members present: T0m Schlosser, Tom Gorman, Joe
Huddleston, George Knight, Roberta Longmire, Ken
Garmann arrived late Staff present: Ty Peterson,
Mark Cook, Shelly Badger Council person Martha
Parsons was present(excluding the public hearing)
Approval of minutes from Oct
Approval of minutes from Oct
4, 1993 was accepted
18, 1993 was accepted
Ty Peterson requested that discussion on the Zoning
Ordinance and commercial short-platting be added to the
agenda
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Public Hearing - Nettleton Warehouse Site Plan: Tim
Schlosser opened the public hearing and asked if
there was a staff presentation Shelly Badger
explained that staff had not been able to review the
proposal in its entirety because not everything had
been submitted yet Shelly recommended to extend the
public hearing to the next meeting
93-27
Motion by George Knight to
Warehouse Site-Plan public
meeting on Nov 15, 1993
Longmire, motion carried
extend the Nettleton
hearing until the next
Seconded by Roberta
3 SW Yelm Annexation update: Ty Peterson and Shelly
Badger informed the Commission that the annexation
received preliminary approval from Council and final
approval was pending completion of the annexation
agreement and then accepted by Council as part of the
annexation ordinance
4 Zoning Ordinance: Ty Peterson stated that he currently
has begun with an update to the zoning ordinance and
would encourage the Planning Commission members to go
through the ordinance and make any comments they feel
would be appropriate
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Commercial Short-Platting: Ty Peterson said that he
needs some direction as to how to handle commercial
short-platting Ty stated that currently short-
platting is left entirely at the discretion of the
Planning Department Commission members asked why
would it be necessary to do improvements at the time
of short-platting instead of at the site-plan process
Staff suggested amending the ordinance so that the
engineering/construction drawings be required at the
time of short-platting and then actual building of the
improvements be required at some other time Mark
Cook said that it was important for engineering
drawing to be done so that staff is able to decide
whether the City is capable of providing services
Some discussion took place as to what other cities
do concerning commercial short-plats, and what those
requirements and procedures are Discussion also took
place about the role of bonding The Planning
Commission stressed that whatever the solution is,
they must be consistent
The Planning Commission gave staff the direction to
look towards requiring the engineering/construction
drawings at the time of short-platting, improvements
begin construction at the conveyance of the first lot
and be completed prior to any occupancy Staff
indicated that they would draft an amendment to the
Subdivision Ordinance
Tim Schlosser stated that in the development standards
something should be determined as a threshold
Tim Schlosser asked about all the signs in town that
appeared to be non-conforming Staff said that they
would look into it
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105 Yeln.z A veiiue. West
POBox 479
Yelm, Wasl!ington 98597
(20Q) 458-3244
YELM
WASHINGTON
AGENDA
CITY OF 'tEIM PI.ANN1H; aMUSSI~ MEETIN:3
,MONDAY, ~ER 1, 1993, 4 :00 P.M.
YEIM CITY HALl. axJNCIL CHAMBERS, 105 YEIM AvE. W.
1. Call to Order, Roll' Call, Approval of Minutes
Octob~r 4 & 18, 1993 ~inutes
2,. Public Hearing - Nettleton Warehouse Site Plan
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Enc10sures aJ:"eavailable to ~on-Commission members upon request.
If you need s~cia~ arrangements to attend or participate in this
meeting, please contact Agnes Colombo, City Clerk,. at 458-8404
NEXT. REGULAR MEETIN:;, KN)AY, tOlEMBER 15, 1993, 4:00 1M
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MONDAY, OCTOBER 18, 1993, 4:00 P M
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No
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1 This meeting was called to order at 4:05 p m by
Acting Planning Commission Chair Roberta Longmire
Members present: Roberta Longmire, John Kinnee, E J
Curry, Ken Garmann, Joe Huddleston Staff present:
Ty Peterson, Mark Cook, Shelly Badger Council person
Martha Parsons was present
Minutes from September 20, 1993 were approved following
these corrections: Add E J Curry to the list of
members present, add the word' not between the words
"should' and "get" in the 5th line of the 3rd
paragraph of item #2, and mention the vote in motion
no 93-26 approving the access alternative
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Yelm Zoning Ordinance revision discussion: Ty Peterson
distributed copies of the zoning ordinance for Planning
Commission review Ty explained how Title 17 of the
Municipal Code needed to be updated and revised He
encouraged the Planning Commission to go through the
entire ordinance and make comments Mark Cook stated
that this was an appropriate time to do this because
of the work with the development standards Ty
mentioned that at some point in the future he is going
to request a "work session Ty mentioned that at the
next meeting he would provide copies of the C-3 zone
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Shelly stated that it was the staff's intent to brief
the Planning Commission on a Five-Corners impact
mitigation strategies Shelly continued by explaining
that the current Level Of Service(LOS) at that inter-
section is below what the standard has been set This
means that the City cannot allow any more development
until a process has been established to correct the
problem Mark indicated that the reason the Planning
Commission has not seen some of the projects is because
of this situation, but that the City is now comfortable
with an approximate dollar figure However, the
implementation tool for this correction has not been
determined yet Ken Garmann mentioned he thought it is
important to connect the Five-Corners strategy with the
Y-2 alternate route Mark said that would certainly be
the intent Some questions regarding impact fees were
discussed Staff indicated that they didn't feel the
City was prepared for impact fees yet, and that using
SEPA to collect fees for adverse impacts was adequate
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Shelly said that staff would bring the proposed
mechanism to the Planning Commission when it was
decided and prepared
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Status of current project: Mark Cook and Ty Peterson
gave brief updates of the following developments within
the City: Nisqually Plaza, McDonalds, Prairie Heights,
Huntington Green, Crystal Springs, Prairie Creek,
Parkside, Yelm Creek Apartments, Fire District #2
Shelly gave an update on the UCBO
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SW Yelm Annexation update: Ty Peterson told the
Planning Commission that Thurston County Boundary
Review Board had not received any inquiries and
approved the SW Yelm annexation to be annexed to the
City of Yelm Discussion took place as to the timing
and extent of the future developments Staff indicated
that development requests and procedures still needed
to be worked through
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105 Yelm Avenue West
POBox 479
Yalm, Washington 98597
206-458-3244
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CITY OF YEIM PLANNIN:; CCMUSSIOO' MEETIN:;
MONDAY, OCTOBER 18, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YEIM CITY HALL CCXJlII::IL aIAMBERS, 105 YEIM AVE. W.
1. Call to Order, Roll Call, Approval of Minutes
September 20, 1993 meeting
2. Yelm Zoning Ordinance revision discussion
3. Discussion on pmposed Five-COI1lers inpact mitigation strategies
4. Status of current pmjects:
a. Nisqually Plaza
b. McDonald IS
c. Prairie Heights Preliminary Plat
d. Huntington Green Preliminary Plat
e. Crystal Springs Estates Preliminary Plat
f. Prairie Creek Preliminary Plat
g. parkside Preliminary Plat
h. Yelm Creek Aparbrents
1. UCBO Cc:mnunity Center
j. Fire District #2
5. SW Yelm Annexation update
6. other
7. Adjourn
Enclosures are available to non-Commission members upon request.
If you need special arrangements to attend or participate in this
meeting, please contact Agnes Colombo, City Clerk, at 458-8404
NEXT REGULAR MEETIK;, MJNDAY, KNEMBER 1, 1993, 4:00 1M
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MONDAY, OCTOBER 4,1993, 4:00 P M
YELM CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No
1 This meeting was called to order at 4:00 p m by
Planning Commission Chair Tim Schlosser
Members present: Tim Schlosser, Roberta Longmire,
E J Curry, Joe Huddleston, George Knight, Tom Cundy
and Ken Garmann arrived late Staff present: Ty
Peterson, Mark Cook, Gene Borges Council person
Martha Parsons was present
Approval of September 14, 1993 Minutes after
correction of some typos
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Yelm Sewer Service Briefing: Gene Borges started by
explaining the history of how the City arrived at the
current Sewer Service Boundary He explained that
originally the City was looking at a treatment
facility that would accommodate 500 thousand gallons a
day However funding was not available for that so
the City decided that they would phase in the sewer
More explanation took place as to the issue of
discharge into the Nisqually River, and how much the
permits would allow for
Gene stated that Dept of Ecology and Dept of Health
have agreed to help Yelm in obtaining status of a
pilot program for the new land application standards
This may lead to an expansion of the sewer service
area
Gene mentioned that he has determined the sewer
service area based on Equivalent Residential Unit(ERU)
in connection with land use He stated that this is
important because the calculations have been based on
current zoning or probable zoning after annexation
These calculations were done very conservatively and
in reality more ERU's may be available This means
that a zone change may have some significant impacts
to the sewer
Gene went on to say that he was currently working on
revising the Sewer Service Boundary The new boundary
will promote infill in current City limits and adjust
in the direction of development Gene also mentioned
that the issue of trading ERU's had come up, and he
was looking into it.
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project Gene indicated that they plan on testing the
facility in mid to late December of 1993 Tim
Schlosser asked what would be done with the existing
septic tanks Gene responded asking Ken Garmen to
verify, that the tanks would be crushed in and then
filled with native type soils
Tim Schlosser and Roberta Longmire asked about street
restoration, Ken Garmen responded by saying that roads
will be restored to like condition
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Road Standards discussion: Mark Cook asked the
Planning Commission if at some time he could get some
direction as to road standards, specifically private
or public Tim Schlosser stated that he didn't think
that Lacey standards were necessarily applicable to
Yelm Mark mentioned that a private road standard
could be less of a burden on developers Tim stated
that as a group they have discouraged private roads,
because they did not want substandard roads with poor
maintenance in the City Mark mentioned the reasons
for the wide road standards in Lacey Mark proceeded
by mentioning and discussing some of the issues
surrounding roads, swales, sidewalks, curbs, etc
The Planning Commission requested that Mark come
forward with some proposals of cross-sections that
includes costs, durability, advantages and
disadvantages Mark agreed that this is how he will
proceed but not to include cross-sections for private
roads Mark recommended that all drainage swales stay
out of the public right-of-way
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105 Yelm AVenue West
PO Box 479
Yelm, Was.htngton98597
(206) 458-3244
YELM,
WASHINGTON
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CITY OF YEIM P!.ANNThG CCMUSSION' MEETIN:3
M:N)Ay, ,OC'IffiER 4, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YEIM CITY HALL COONCIL CHJ.\MBERS, :l05YEIM AVE. W.
1. Call to Order, RollCall, Approval of Mj.nutes
September 14, and 20,' ~993 meeting
2. Yelm Sewer ServiCe Boundal:y briefing ...,. Gene Borges'
3.- Road Standards discussioIJ. - Public ~rsus private
4 . Other
5. ADj~
Enclosures are available to non-Commission ~mbers upon r~quest.
If you 'need special arrangements to attend or~par.ticipate in this
meeting, pleqse contact Agnes Colombo, City 'Clerk, at 458...,.8404
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MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No.
1 This meeting was called to order at 4:00 p m by
Planning Commission Chair Tim Schlosser
Members present: Tim Schlosser, Roberta Longmire,
Tom Cundy, John Kinnee, George Knight, Joe Huddleston,
E.J Curry, Ken Garmen arrived late Staff present:
Ty Peterson, Mark Cook, Jim Blundell
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Nisqually Plaza Gramor/McAlexander joint driveway
issue: Mark Cook started things by recapping the final
events of the previous meeting He mentioned that
before the last meeting adjourn~d he had indicated to
the Planning Commission that he felt it would be
beneficial to get a opinion from the City Attorney
Jim Blundell introduced himself as the City Attorney
Jim stated that the condition put upon the Site Plan
was within the City's authority and in the event that
they cannot reach an agreement it would be in the
City's authority to locate an access Jim stated that
the issue of private easements, once the access is
established, is solely a private property issue and
that City should not get involved in that issue Jim
went on to present three alternatives; One, to grant
the McAlexander proposed access 'A" Two, would be to
grant access alternative "1 or "2" proposed by the
City Three, would be to approve both locations in
their alternative, depending upon the outcome of
negotiations between the two parties Jim stated that
it would be very important for the Commission to state
clearly what it's decision is
Mr Walker, representing McAlexander, brought up the
issue that if access was granted entirely on the Gramor
property, Gramor would probably not grant an easement
to McAlexander unless directed to do so Mr Blundell
restated that the city should not get involved in the
private property issues
Tim Schlosser mentioned that the issue is to arrive at
a solution that is not burdening any single property
owner unfairly He said that while the City's proposal
is not the ideal solution it is an equitable one It
provides a shared access that may not be the safest but
is more safe than the current situation.
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McAlexander said that herself and her representatives
have tried to negotiate with Gramor but that Gramor was
unwilling to speak with them
More discussion took place surrounding the issue of
easements Mr Blundell stated that the city was not
using the McAlexander property and the City should not
negotiate easements between private property owners
Mark Cook said that the Planning Commission can make a
decision today on the location of the access and that
any issues regarding easements can be solved by another
level at another time
Tim Schlosser stated that he would entertain a motion
approving alternative "2" or access A
Motion by George knight to approve the staff
recommended alternative "2", seconded by Joe
Huddleston. Motion carried with a 4 - 2 vote
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CITY OF YEIM PLANNIN:; CCMHSSION'MEETIN:;
MCNDAY, SEPl'EMBER 20, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YELM CITY HALL axJNCIL a-rnMBERS, 105 YEIM AVE. W.
1. Call to O):der, Roll call, Approval of Minl,ltes
September 14, 1993 meeting
2. Nisqually Plaza~r/McAlexander joint 'driveway iSsue
3 . 6t:her
4. ADJOURN
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j05 Yelm Avenue West
POBox 479
Yelm, Washington 98597
(206) 458-3244
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AGENDA
CITY OF $IM~ PLANNnt; C<M1ISSION' MEETIN:;
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
Y.ElM CITY HALL axJNCIL OIllMBERS, 105 YEIM AVE. W.
1.. Call to Orner, RollCall, Approval of Minutes
August 16, 1993 Regular Meeting
2. Developrent Standards update
3. Nisqually Plaza GrarrDr/McAlexander joint driveWay issue ( alternate
proposal from McAlexander not available to forward to Corrmission at
tirre of mailing)
C 4. Sewer Project update
5. Southwes"t Yelm Annexation update
6. Interim Urban Growth Boundary status
7. ADJaJRN
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Members present: Roberta Longmire, Tom Cundy, John
Kinnee, Joe Huddleston, E J Curry Staff present:
Ty Peterson, Shelly Badger, Mark Cook City Council
member Martha Parsons was present
Approval of August 2, 1993 minutes was unanimous
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Development Standards Update: Mark Cook introduced
himself to some of the Planning Commission members
he had not met yet Mark proceeded with explaining his
role with the development standards Mark provided
the Table of Contents for the Standard Specifications
This is a document containing the standard
specifications for road, bridge, and municipal
construction Mark indicated that he felt these were
a good starting point Mark recommended the set of
Standard Plans, which are tied to the Standard
Specification, also should be incorporated into the
development standards and would give the city the
ability to standardize requirements Mark finalized
things by making note that he would be available Monday
through Wednesday to answer questions
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Public Hearing for Fire District #2 Site Plan for new
fire station: (Note: Martha Parsons left the room for
the duration of this agenda item) Roberta Longmire
opened the issue for public hearing, and asked if
anyone from the audience would like to comment Kurt
Heinold, from Howard Godat and Assoc, presented the
fire station site plan on behalf of Fire District #2
He addressed issues and concerns surrounding paving,
drainage, parking, access; traffic, street
improvements, design, timing and phasing of the
project Kurt mentioned that the Fire District is
asking that a one year waiver be granted for the
sidewalk and a two year waiver be granted for
completing the paving of the parking lot Concern about
emergency vehicles not being able to access the roadway'
or maneuver around school buses during certain times
of the day was noted The option of opening 104th was
discussed to alleviate some of these problems, city
staff indicated that option would be looked at in the
future Staff gave their report, Mark Cook commented
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on some of the engineering issues surrounding drainage,
paving, and bonding He recommended that dust
mitigation be maintained, bonding be allowed for one
year and all drainage be handled on site, including
additional runoff created from the street improvements
along Mill Rd Ty Peterson presented his staff report
and noted the Planning Dept recommended conditions of
approval E J Curry mentioned her disapproval of
requiring "piece meal" sidewalks at this time Staff
responded by suggesting that by doing it this way, it
takes the burden off the city of building the
sidewalks, and the school down the street created a
public safety issue.
Motion to approve the fire station site plan with the
staff recommended conditions one through three;
1 S E P A approval, comment period will expire
on 8-19-93
2 Runoff from street improvements along Mill Rd
be treated and disposed on site, this should
be designed and constructed by the proponent
3 Bonding for the sidewalk shall be at 1.5 times
the construction estimate and not exceed one
year Bonding for the paving of the remaining
parking area not exceed two years
by John Kinnee, Tom Cundy seconded, motion carried
E J Curry opposed the motion with regard to item
number three in the conditions only
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Gramor/McAlexander joint driveway issue (Nisqually
Plaza): Shelly Badger commented on the issue, she
stated that the access portion of the issue is the
portion the city is involved in Until the issue is
resolved, the city and other business owners can't
proceed with the Yelm Avenue Improvements Plan Shelly
stated that this issue is one of the reasons that has
already kept the project from starting on time Perry
Shea, a traffic engineer representing the city and
property owners involved in the improvement project,
presented the two options the city felt would be safe
and provide adequate vehicular movement Perry went on
to answer questions and explain the difference between
the two options and their effects on the improvement
plan for this portion of Yelm Avenue, the affect of the
new traffic signal, how the options improve the
existing safety problems, and the traffic studies done
to arrive at these options Roberta Longmire asked if
McAlexander had come up with any options and if so to
present them now Randall Walker, representing
McAlexander, responded by stating that they have not
been able to arrive at any other options, and that is
because they did not receive information needed to do
so until today Mr Walker explained how the
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Mr Walker expressed that the proposed options could
decrease the value of the property and create an
undesirable situation for the patrons using the
services on the property He went on to point
out that Gramors engineering consultant represents the
same firm as the City's consultant and that this may
cause a conflict of interest Mr Walker said that
they would propose an option if allowed some time to do
so or would agree to Gramor locating the entire access
on their property, but felt adverse impacts associated
with that should fall on the burden of Gramor Mr
Walker pointed out to the Commission that a building
permit had been issued for the plaza even though the
Commission had stated that nothing be done until this
issue was resolved Shelly Badger responded by saying
that she had authorized the permit, but that occupancy
would not be allowed until the issue resolved Shelly
stated that she felt the issue needed to be
resolved and that issuing the building permit would
press the issue Perry stated that the traffic plan is
trying to improve an existing condition, and that the
approach is a common type use in similar scenarios
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present an alternative at the next Planning Commission
meeting and recommended that the two parties get
together and try to resolve this issue Shelly went on
to explain the cities relationship with the consulting
firm and Perry said that he was representing several
property owners along Yelm Avenue
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AGENDA
CITY OF YEIM PLANNIN:; CCMHSSION MEETIN:;
MONDAY, AUGUST 16, 1993, 4:00 ~.M.
YEIM CITY HAu.. COONCIL aIAMBERS, 105YEIM AVE. W.
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1. call to Order, Roll Call, Approval of Minutes
August 2, 1993 rreetiIlg
2. oeveloprent; Standanls update
3. Public Hearing: Thurston County Fire Protection District #2 Site
Plan (staff report ehclosed)
4. ,Grannr/McAlexander joint driveway issue .(Nisqually Plaza)
discussion (staff rremo and correspondence enclosed)
5. Sewer Project update
6. Other
7. ADjOURN
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If you need special arrangements to attend or participate in this
rreeting, please contact Agnes Colombo, City Clerk, at 4.58-8404
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1 The meeting was called to order at 4:00 p m by
Planning Commission Chair Tim Schlosser
Members present: Tim Schlosser, George Knight, Tom
Cundy, Tom Gorman, Roberta Longmire, John Kinnee,
E J Curry, Joe Huddleston, Ken Garmann Staff
present: Ty Peterson, Shelly Badger
Approval of June 21, 1993 minutes correcting item 7 to
read" that all development be treated equally" was
unanimous
2 Introduction of new Planning Commission member City
staff introduced Ken Garmann to the Planning
Commission as the new member filling the position
previously held by Jim Keyes Ken is working for
Parametrix and lives in the City of Yelm
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Roberta Longmire requested an addition to the agenda
to express concern regarding the required paving for
the Johnston mini-storage
Motj.o.o. by Roberta Longmire, " I would like 1.0 move t,he
p 1 ann i ng_Comm i.ss-i.on go Q.D_r:..e.c,o.r:..d_a.s_ba~d.n9-aske.d_t.b.e~
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faGjJJ.ty This request is being made because after our
~ecomm;ndation we learned that two other mini-storage
projects, reviewed by staff, were not required to pave
.i.e Arnolds, on Yelm Ave and L & W, on First st
The Planning Commission's position has always been that
all business owners be treated in a fair and equal
manner, and we definitely feel this was not done in
this case" seconded by Tom Gorman, motion carried
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Shelly Badger stated that it was not the intent of the
staff to be unfair and that the differences between
these projects initiated different procedures and
requirements
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Development Standards update: Staff presented an
outline for the development standards, expressing
that they want input from the Planning Commission
The Commission felt they needed more info before making
comments Tim Schlosser did mention that he would like
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terms Staff indicated that they are trying to
allocate time so that this can get done as quickly as
possible
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Manufactured Home ordinance review update: Staff
presented definitions for manufactured/mobile home,
designated manufactured home, and modular home Ty
Peterson indicated to the Commission that state law
required that our ordinance address the term
'designated manufactured home' and that modular homes
really should be defined as single family dwelling
units, thus being allowed similarly The Commission
gave staff direction to proceed with amending the
ordinance to treat 'designated manufactured homes' in
the same manner as a manufactured/mobile homes and
to treat modular homes as permanent single family
residences
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Draft Sewer Resolution: Staff and the Commission
discussed the resolution Commission members
expressed that the resolution was difficult to
understand, staff agreed and indicated that wording
was still being worked on Another concern dealt with
the time frames outlined in the resolution Both the
commission and staff felt that the time limitations
for maintaining reserved sewer capacity may be
unreasonably difficult for developers to comply with
Staff indicated that the City attorney is working on
some alternative time frames and wording that could be
more easily understood It was explained that an up-
dated count of total capacity and available capacity
would be maintained Staff expressed that they felt it
was necessary to provide some means for addressing the
issue so that the city does not obligate more capacity
than it can provide, at the same time not restricting
development unnessarily Staff indicated that the time
limitations were also driven by a funding issue to
fulfill grant requirements
7 Future Agenda Items: Staff informed the Commission
that the proposed fire station at the corner of 103rd
and Mill Rd would be up for public hearing and
approval on August 16th
8 Update On Approved Projects. Staff gave updates and
answered questions on the following on-going projects;
Prairie Heights Plat, McDonalds, Nisqually Plaza,
Huntington Green Plat, Yelm Sewer Project, Prairie
Creek Plat, Hwy 507 zoning (c-3)
The Commission asked about updated Zoning and
Comprehensive Plan Maps Staff said they were
currently working on getting those updated and in
circulation
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CITY OF YEIM PLANNING. ~ISSIrn MEETING
MCl'IDAY, AUGUST 2, 1993, 4':00 P.M.
YEIM CITY HALLCOONCI:L ffillMBERS, 105 YErM AVE. W.
1. Call to Order, Roll Call, Approval of 'Minutes
June 21" 1993 minutes. No quorum at July 12, 1993 meeting. No rreeting ,
July 19, 1993.
2. IntroquctioQ of ne~ P.larlQing Caimission rrenber Ken Gamiann
3.~ Developrent Standards discussion ,( copY' of outline enclosed)
4. Manufactured Hare o~ce revi~ update
5. ~t Sewer.Resolution(continued discussion and request for
recoITmendation to city Council)
6-. Future Meeting Agenda items:
a. Thurston County Fire Protection District #2 site plan
7. Update on approved Projects:
a. Prairie Heights Preliminary Plat (Vancil Road)
b. McDonald IS,
c. Nisqually Plaza
d. Huntington GreeD. Plat ( Crystal Springs St..)
e. YeJm Sewer project
f. Prairie Creek Preliminary Plat (Middle Road)
g. Hwy. 507 zoning' proposal (including C-3 Zone)
8. ADJOORN
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If you need special arrangements to attend or participate in this
rrBeting, please contact Agnes Colombor City, CIE!rk, at 458-8404
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YEIM CITY HALL caJNCIL OIAMBERS, 105 YEIM AVE. W.
1. Call to Onier, Roll Call, Approval of Minutes
June 21, 1993 minutes. No quorum at July 12, 1993 meeting. No rreeting
July 19, 1993.
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PUBLIC NOTICE
CHANGE IN REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSIONMEET1NG DATE
JULY 19, 1993
Due to an anticipated lack of quorum and incomplete status of
projects for review, the Yelm Plan~ing Commission regular meeting
scheduled for Monday, July 19, 1993, has been cancelled.
The next ~cheduled meeting is:
Monday, August 2, 1993, 4:00 p.m., Yelm Cit'y Hall Council
Cha~be~s, 105 Yelm Avenue' West, Yelm, WA 98597.
Ali interested ci.tizens are invited to attend public meetings., For
mO;Le information or reasonable accommodations, pleas~ ca-ll Agnes
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CI'l'Y OF YEIM PLANNn<<; CCMUSSION' MEETn<<;
MoNDAY, JULY 12, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YEIM CITY HALL caJNCIL OfAMBERS, 105 YEIM' AVE. 'We
1. Call to Order, ',Roll Call, Approval of Minutes
June 21, 1993 minutes.
2. Introduction of Assistant City Enginee~ Mark C06~
3; SelEr Capacity Resolution ,( draft enclosed)
4 . Staff Update - Stub Road 'Reseatch
5. other
6. other
7 . ExecUtive Session
Discuss qualifications of Planning, Commission applicants
8. ADJOURN
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CHANGE IN ~EGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING'DATE
JULY 1993
Due tp the Indepengenc~ Day Holiday, th~ Yelm Planning Commission
regular meeting scheduled for Monday, July 5, 1993 has peen changed
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Chambers, 105 Yelm Avenue West, Yelm, .WA 98597.
All interested citizens are invit~d to attend public meetings. For
more information or r:easohableaccommodatiohs, please call Agnes
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Agenda Item/
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1 The meeting was called to order at 4:00 p m by
Planning Commission Chair Tim Schlosser
Members present: E J Curry, Roberta
Schlosser, George Knight, Tom Cundy
Huddleston, Tom Gorman, John Kinnee
Ty Peterson, Shelly Badger Council
Parsons was present as well
Longmire, Tim
Absent: Joe
Staff Present:
member Martha
Unanimous vote to approve the Minutes for June 7, 1993
2 Crystal Springs Estates Preliminary Plat Amendment
(Note: Council person Martha Parsons left the room
for public hearing)
Staff presented the proposal that amended a 19 lot
subdivision to a 20 lot subdivision Staff indicated
to the Commission that the amended plat met all the
subdivision requirements, including open space and
buffering Roberta Longmire indicated she didn't think
there were any "stub road" requirements and directed
staff to look into the matter Further discussion took
place about the buffering and Harry Lewis answered
questions about the surrounding residential uses Tim
Schlosser opened the hearing for public comment, no
comment followed Harry Lewis stated that he felt the
proposal was an improvement to the plat Roberta
Longmire inquired about the lot sizes and indicated
she felt the stub road was unnecessary
Motion to recommend approval of the amended plat to the
City Council by George Knight, seconded by E J Curry,
motion carried.
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Revised C-3 Zone. staff wanted the Commission to
overlook and give approval of the changes to the zone
that were agreed upon at the previous meeting
Motion to recommend approval of the C-3 zone to City
Council by Roberta Longmire, seconded by George Knight,
motion carried
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SR507 Annexation Zoning Designation: Staff presented
the proposed zoning for the recently annexed area
Staff indicated to the Commission they felt comfortable
proceeding with the original zoning requested by the
proponents of the annexation Some public comment
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Yelm Creek Staff indicated that the zoning would
follow property lines in the vicinity of the creek, not
the creek itself
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The Planning Commission recognized that July 5, 1993,
would be a holiday and concluded that the next meeting
take place on July 12, 1993
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Jim Keyes Resignation: Staff informed the Commission
that Jim Keyes had resigned from the Planning
Commission and to begin consideration of the new
applicants, understanding that the Mayor does the final
appointment
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Report on paving requirements for commercial site
plans: Staff informed the Commission that the
planning and buildlng departments would be working
together on commercial buildings, including those under
4,000 sq ft The Commission made it clear that they
wanted the issue resolved as soon as possible and that
all development be treated equally Staff
indicated that they hoped to resolve this issue with
new Devlopment Standards that were currently being
worked on
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Update on Urban Growth Boundary: Staff informed the
Commission that the City would be approaching the
County and the Urban Growth Managment Committee with
the revised city adopted Urban Growth Boundary for
their approval
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AGENDA
CITY OF YELM PLANNING CO~ISSION MEETING
MONDAY, JUNE 21, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
1. Call to Order, RollCall, Approval of Minutes.
June 7, l~93 ~inutes.
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2. Public Heari.'ng - Crystal Springs Estates Preliminary Plat
Amendment (enclosed).
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Review revised C-3 Zone. (enclosed)
Discuss Remainder 9f SR507 Annexation Zoning Proposal
4. Disc.ussion on July 5, 1993, Planning; Commission Meeting Date.
5. Jim ,Keyes Resignation from Planqing Commission.
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YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No.
1 The meeting was called to order at 4:00 p m by
Planning Commission Chair Tim Schlosser
Members present: E J Curry, Roberta Longmire, Tim
Schlosser, Joe Huddleston, George Knight, Jim Keyes.
Absent: Tom Gorman, Tom Cundy, John Kinnee Staff
present: Ty Peterson Note: Jim Keyes was late
93-21 II lliotion to approve Apri 1 5, 1993 minutes as amend;-~ to
read the third of May, instead of the fifth of May, by
E J Curry, seconded by George Knight, motion carried
93-22 L~otion to approve May 3, 1993 minutes as amend~~to
read that E.J. Curry left the meeting and did not part-
icipate in Prairie Heights Preliminary plat
proceedings, by George Knight, seconded by E J Curry,
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Wayne Erickson Construction Co Request Erickson
wrote the city a letter requesting that the city vacate
25 ft easement to allow a private access roadway so
that he may develop 5 lots between third and fourth
streets Staff indicated the problems private roadways
create surrounding access, utilities, maintenance,
ownership, etc The current ordinance requires that if
the city makes a decision to vacate any land to
benefit an individual property owner it does so for one
half the assessed value of the property Erickson
indicated that even though the roadway would be private
by record it would be a public access roadway Jim
Keyes stated that a Boundary Line Adjustment may be a
way to accommodate the required street right-of-
way and easements He went on to explain that you
can't grant a private piece of property to public use
without deeding it to the ruling public entity and the
city won't take sub standard streets The commission
told Erickson that he is going to have to get the
appropriate right-of-way and directed staff to research
a previous similar request
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C-3 Zone: Staff presented the C-3 zone with some
recommended changes Discussion took place as to some
additional changes regarding definitions of allowed
uses The Commission held that access control can be
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[Motion to recommend C-3 zone to~_City Council with
amended changes to types of uses( by George Knight
seconded by Joe Huddleston Motton carried
4 Development Standards Update: Staff told the
Commission that developing standards were going to be
delayed until early July, at which time the new
engineer would be on staff
5 Manufactured/mobile homes update: Staff informed the
Commission that work is currently being done and
information gathered concerning the issue of
manufactured housing Commission indicated they wanted
some definitions pertaining to the issue.
6 Miniature Golf Course Proposal: Staff asked the
Commission whether they would consider this use
allowable in the Central Business District Commission
stated they would like to see a more detailed proposal
or site plan before making a decision
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The Commission expressed their concern that the staff
be equal in requiring paving for new commercial
development and not continue to allow additions
to existing commercial structures without imposing
the same requirements
Meeting adjourned 4:50 p m
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Yelm, Washington 98597
(206) 458-3244
AGENDA
CITY OF YEIM PLANNn<<; ~ISSIOO MEETIN:3
MONDAY, JUNE 7, 1993, 4:00 EM
YEIM CITY HAIJ.. axJNCIL aIAMI;lliRS'
1. Qlll to Order, Roll ~all, Approval of Minutes.
April 5 and May "3, 199~
2. Wayne E;rickson Cqnstruction Co. request
3. C-3 Zone ~iscussion (draft enclosed for Commission rrembers)
4 . Developrrel)t Standards update
5. Mobile/Manufactured Home Ordinance review and update
6. Miniature golfcouL~e ~se in Central Business District
7. Correspondence:
a. ShQrt Course on Local Planning literature (enclosed)
8 . Other
9. Adjourn
Enclosures are available to non-Commission members upon request
If you need specialamangements to attend or participate in this
meeting: please contact Agnes ColomQo, City Clerk, at 458-8404.
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DRAFT - PROPOSED YELM MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 17 31
C-3 LOW-TRAFFIC COMMERCIAL
Sections:
17 31 010
17 31 020
17 31 030
17 31 040
17 31 050
17 31 060
Purpose
General requirements
Permitted uses
Conditional uses
Special uses and planned development districts
Standards
17.31.010
Purpose
The Low-Traffic Commercial (C-3) zone is intended to provide
for commercial land uses which generate relatively low levels
of automobile traffic, which are not oriented toward
pedestrian activities, and which may require large areas of
land or convenient arterial access
17.31.020 General requirements.
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Only the following uses are permitted and allowed in this
zone These uses are subject to off-street parking
requirements of Chapter 17 38 and the general provisions and
exceptions set forth in this title
17.31.030 Permitted uses.
Uses permitted outright are:
All uses permitted in the Residential Agriculture zone,
except residential, subject to any more restrictive or
permissive provisions of this zone
Automobile repair and service shops including auto body
repair and tire sales, but excluding sale of fuel
Appliance sales and service, limited to large applicances not
readily transportable by pedestrians
Churches and cemeteries
Construction material sales buildings and yards, provided
that such sales shall be limited to sales to licensed
contractors
Furniture sales for households and offices.
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Golf driving ranges
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Hazardous waste treatment and storage facilities for wastes
generated on site, subject to state siting criteria
Horticultural nurseries
Livestock sales
Lumber yards and sales, provided that hardware sales areas
shall be limited to 1000 square feet
Mobile home and manufacured housing sales and storage yards
Parking lots; including park-and-ride lots.
Public services buildings
Recreational vehicle parks, storage and sales
Residences, single-family only, each on lots of one acre or
more
Truck, bus and other transportation terminals
Utility facilities, excluding offices
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Vehicle, trailer, boat, motorcycle, snowmobile and similar
sales, rental and storage areas
Warehouses, including mini-warehouses, but excluding
manufacturing and production facilities
Similar uses as determined by the City Council
Accessory uses to those listed above
17.31.040 Conditional uses.
Uses permitted subject to the granting of a conditional use
permit by the city council are:
Outdoor and drive-in theaters
17.31.050 Special use/combining and planned devloDment
districts.
Special use/combining and planned development districts in
the C-3 zone shall be in compliance with standards set forth
in Chapters 17 34 and 17 36
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Those standards set forth at Chapter 17 40 applicable to the
C-1 zone shall be applicable to the C-3 zone Except the
minimum lot size, where, in the C-3 zone shall be one acre
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105 Ye{m Avenue West
PO Box 479
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(206) 458-3244
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** /**. NOTICE ** **
The May 17, 1993 Regular PlanningConunission. meeting has been
CANCELLED due to lack of staff availability. There were no land
use public heqrings planned for the agenda. Regular Planning
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conunission businessrela'ting to the proposed C-3 zone and
developmenb standards will be discussed at the next regular meeting
on Monday June 7, 1993 at 4 pm.
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City Clerk
D,istribution:
May 13, 199:3
Planning Conunission mailinglisti~ .
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YELM PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY, MAY 3, 1993, 4:00 PM
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No
93-21
1 The meeting was called to order at 4:00 p m by
Planning Commission Chairman Tim Schlosser.
Members present: E J Curry, Roberta Longmire, Tim
Schlosser, Tom Gorman, Tom Cundy, Jim Keyes, George
Knight, Joe Huddleston, John Kinnee Staff present:
Ty Peterson and Shelly Badger
The April 5, 1993 Minutes were not available for
approval
Shelly Badger announced that the planning position had
been filled permanently and the city intended to hire a
part-time engineer
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Prairie Heights/Vancil Rd Preliminary plat (sub8086)
Staff presented material in written form and indicated
to the Commission that the environmental review had
been finalized Staff recommended approval to the
Planning Commission There was no comment from the
public, so the Commission proceeded with concerns of
their own Some members of the Commission expressed
concern for the "usability" and access of the
designated open space The proponents addressed
questions and concern regarding frontage, and street
improvements on Vancil Rd Further discussion took
place on issues surrounding the types of structures
(duplex/townhouse), the phasing in process and sanitary
sewer/septic intentions
Motion by John Kinnee to recommend approval of the
Prairie Heights/Vancil Rd subdivision (sub8086)
Seconded by Tom Gorman Motion carried
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C-3 Zoning: Staff indicated to the Commission that the
draft C-3 Zone would be amended to accommodate the
zones intent and that the issue of access would be a
primary concern when reviewing development proposals.
Staff also agreed to provide a comparison of C-1,
C-2 and the proposed new zone
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Development Standards: Staff indicated that
progression is being made. Some issues are taking
time to resolve and are being researched Additionally
the engineering drawings have been on hold because the
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engineer has been on vacation Commission and
staff discussed sidewalk requirements and appropriate
conditions under which they should be required Staff
did make the Commission aware of new laws considering
pedestrian/handicap travel access
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Some Commission members expressed their concern
regarding parking lot standards and the issue of
paving Staff indicated that the city has to look into
a policy addressing expansion of non-conforming uses,
and what will be required The Planning Commission
stated that they want every applicant to be treated the
same and the standards imposed apply to everyone
equally
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105 Yelm Avenue West
POBox 479
Yelm, Washington 98597
(206) 458-3244
AGENDA
CITY OF YELM PLANNING C6MMISS~ON MEETING
MONDAY, MAY 3, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
e 1. Call to Order, Roli Call, Approval of Minutes.
Apri 1 5, 1993'
2. prairie Height.s preliminary plat .public Hearing
3. C~3 Zone .Discussion.
4. Development I Standards Discussion.
5. Other
.6 . Corr:espondence.
a. Planning Short Course
7 . Adjourn
Enclosures are avai'lable to non-Commission memrlers upon, :J;-equest..
If you need spetial arrang~ment8 to attend or partlclpate In th~&
meeting, please contact Agnes COI01Ubo,CityClerk; at .158-8~04.
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105 Yelm Ave,~ue West
POBox 479
Yelm, Washington 98597
(206) 458-3244
AGENDA ,
CITY OF YELMPLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
l, MONDAY, APRIL 19, 19931. 4:00 P.M.
YELM ~ITY HALL COUNCIL 'CHAMBERS
1. Call to O:t::'der, RollCall, Approval 'of Minutes.
Aflrii 5, 1993
2 ~ Development Standards'
3. C~ty Council Report from Aprll"14, 1993 Meeting
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Upcoming
a. MobilejHanufactur,ed Home
b. Central Business D~scr~ct
5. Otl1er
6. Adjourn
Enclosures areavai.lable to non-Commission members u.l?on request.
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If you, need special arrangements to a~tend o~ PQr~iClpate ~n this
meeting, please contact Agnes Colr)mbo, City Clerk, at 458.,...8404.
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YELM PLANNING COMMISSION
MONDAY, APRIL 5, 1993, 4:00 PM
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No
1 The meeting was called to order at 4 00 pm by Planning
Commission Chairman Tim Schlosser
Members present E J Curry, Roberta Longmire, Tim
Schlosser, Tom Gorman, Tom Cundy Absent Jim Keyes,
George Knight, Joe Huddleston, John Kinnee Staff
present: Ty Peterson and Shelly Badger
Approval of the March 22, 1993 minutes by acclamation
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Longmire St /Gore Rezone (zon8087) Staff presented
the proposal to the Commission The proposal
requested a zone change from single family residential
to multi-family residential for a portion of a 4 9 acre
site Discussion took place as to what effects the
zone change could have and the compatibility with
surrounding uses Staff recommended the zone change
and felt that it created no significant adverse
impacts
93-20
Motion by Tom Gorman to recommend approval on the
Longmire St /Gore rezone Seconded by Tom Cundy
Motion carried
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C-3 Zone: Staff presented a draft ordinance for a
low traffic commercial zone Discussion took place as
to whether or not the new zone best accommodated the
situation Commission members voiced their concerns
regarding minimum lot size, allowed uses, location of
the new zone, and some potential problems it could
create Commission recognized the need to prevent
strip development and urban sprawl but determined that
the new zone did not best accommodate this Further
discussion about locations of large commercial
developments in the future was addressed Commission
indicated to staff to do some additional research and
to continue to look at options that would best
accommodate this area
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Development standards: Staff updated the Commission as
to how far the standards are coming along Staff
lndlcated that they are in the process of drawing the
specifications and scenarios to be used with the
standards
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Shelly Badger explained to the Commission the new
procedure the city is using when processing development
applications, this was the reason for the slow down at
the Commission meetings Staff indicated to the
Commission to expect some large plat proposals by the
fifth of May
Meeting adjourned at 5'05 pm
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City 'ofYelm
105 Yelm Avenue West
, PO Box 479 '
Yelm; Washington 98597
(206) ;/58-3244
AGENDA '
CITY OF YELM PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MONDAY, APRIL 5, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
1. Call to Order, Roll Call, Approval of M~nutes.
March 22, 1993
2. Public Hearing Longmire St'./Gore Rezone (ZON8081)
3. Continued discussion:' zoning ordinance amendment
4~ Developfu~nt Standa~d update
5.
Developer applic~tion process briefing
6. Scheduled agenda items for 4(19/93:
a. prairie Heights preliminary Plat Public Hearing (Vancti
Road) ,
b. Prairie Vista Plat &, Rezone Public Hearing (Burnett Road)
7. Other
8,. Adjourn
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Enclos~res are available to non-Commission members upon request.
If you need special arrangements to attend or participate in this
meeting, please contact Agnes Colombo, City Clerk, at 458-8404.
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YELM PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY, MARCH 22. -jge3, 4:00 ~M
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item;
Motion No
The meeting was called to order at 4 00 01 Planning
Commission Chairman Tim Schlosser
Members present. Tom Cunoy Joe riuddel2ton Tom
Gorman George Kn1ght T1m Schlosser John Klnnee
E J Curry Roberta Longmire Absent Jim Keyes
Staff Present IY Peterson and Gene Borges
93-18
MOTION BY JOHN KINNEE APPROVING THE MARCH 1, 1993
MINUTES SECONDED BY GEORGE KNIGHT MOTION CARRIED
Agenda additions/alterations
Agnes Colombo informed members that the representatives
for the Southwest Annevation would be delayed
Decision to alter agenda to proceed was made bv the
Comm1sslon
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C-3 Zone. D,Scusslon took place over the need for a
new zone Ty Peterson expresseo tne need for some
additlonal tlme to research the Idea
3 Development Standards Staff ind1cated some
pr09ress1on in proposing a draft ordinance but
further research and analYSIS 1S required D,SCUSSion
between staff and the Commission too~ olace as to what
types of standards time frame and concerns regardlng
the adopt1on of development standards
4 Staff 1nd1cated the concern for further amendments to
the Zoning Ordinance regardlng the need to accommodate
some additional uses
5
Southwest Yelm Annexation and Final Environmental
Impact Statement Discussion comments auest10ns and
answers began witn sewer l~ene InOl2atea to t~e
commlSSlon that at thls time ootlons for sewer
treatment had not been addressed and would be dur1ng a
Development Environmental Impact Statement School
dlstrlct requlrements open soace and parks were all
discussed Further concerns about Impact fees and
transportatlon were d1scussed It was lndlcated that
many ,ssues Will be more thoroughly addressed in
addlt,onal documents prior to development DiSCUSSion
closed with staff reassuring the Commission that
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vacat1ng the annexed area lS possible 1n the event
that no development occurs
MOTION BY GEORGE KNIGHT TO RECOMMEND ANNEXATION
TO CITY COUNCIL WITH LEGAL FINDINGS IN SUPPORT OF
THE SOUTHWEST ANNEXATION SECONDED BY TOM GORMAN
MOTION CARRIED
Olscussion took place concern1ng the Commlss1ons role
In the future w1th the S W ~nneYat1on
6 Some members felt that the comm1S~10n meet1ngs and
agenda could be run better by preoar1ng informat1on
for the Comm1ss;on in a manner so as not to waste t1me
Meet1ng Adjourned at 5 00 p m
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POBox ,479
Yelm, Washington 98597
(206) 458-3244
AGENDA
CITY OF YELM PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MO~DAY, MARCH 22, 1993, 4:00 P,M.
YELMCITY ~L COUNCIL CHAMBE~S
1. Call to Order" Roll Call ,Approval of Minutes.
March 1, 199J
2.
SW Yelm Annexation
Final EIS
Copy enclosed
3.:'
C-3 Zoning - Staff memo and discussion
4. Development Standards Update
5.
6. Adjourn
Enclosu~es are available to non-Commisslon members upon request"
If you need speciai arrangements to attendbr participate in this
meeting, please contact Ci~y Hall at 458-3144.
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AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION
STATE OF WASHINGTON
County of Thurston
D R. Miller
, being first duly sworn on
oath deposes and says that she/he is the edi tor
of the Nisqually Valley News, a weekly newspaper That said newspa-
per is a legal newspaper and has been approved as a legal newspaper
by order of the superior court in the county in which it is published and
it is now and has been for more than six months prior to the date of the
publications hereinafter referred to, published in the English language
continually as a weekly newspaper in Thurston County, Washington, and
it is now and during all of said time was printed in an office maintained
at the aforesaid place of publication of said newspaper
Public Notice Change
That the annexed is a true copy of
in Regular Plarming Corrmission Meeting Date, March
O as it was published in regular issues (and not in supplement form) of said
newspaper once a week for a period of 1
consecutive weeks, commencing on the
March 93
of 19
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both dates inclusive and that such newspaper was regularly distributed
to its subscribers during all of said period. That the full amount of the
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residing at Yelm, Washington.
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PUBLIC NOTICE
CHANGE IN REGULAR PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING DATE
FOR MARCH 1993
The Yelm Planning Commission regular
meeting scheduled for Monday, March
15, 1993, has been changed to:
Monday, March 22, 1993, 4:00 p.m.,
Yelm City Hall Council Chamber, 105
Yelm Avenue West, Yelm, WA 98597
All interested citizens are invited to at-
tend public meetings. For more informa-
tion or reasonable accommodations,
please call Agnes Colombo at
458-8404
Attest: Agnes P Colombo, City Clerk
Published in the Nisqually Valley News
Thursday, March 11, 1993.
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YELM PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY, MARCH 1, 1993, 4:00 PM
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
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Agenda Iteml
Motion No
1. The Meeting was called to order at 4: 00 by Planning
Commission Chairman Tim Schlosser.
Members present: Roberta Longmire, E . J . Curry, John
Kinnee, Tim Schlosser, Joe Huddleston, Tom Cundy, Tom
Gorman and George Knight. Absent: Jim Keyes. Guests:
Al Johnston. Staff present: Shelly Badger, Jerry Prock,
Tim Peterson and Agnes Colombo,
Agenda additions/deletions:
Agenda Item #5 - C-3 Commercial zonlng discussion was
added to the agenda.
Shelly Badger informed members that the final SWY
annexation EIS would be ready for review by March 15, and
that Council would begin the public hearing process at
the March 24 meeting and continue the hearing from
meeting to meeting until satisfied that all their
questions had been addressed.
93-15
MOTION BY JOE HUDDLESTON, SECONDED BY TOM GORMAN CHANGING
THE DATE OF THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING TO MARCH 22, 1993. MOTION CARRIED.
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Changes to the February 22, 1993 minutes include:
1) Page 1, para. 1: Some [addition] Commission
members stated their opposition to granting access
directly onto Middle Road from any of the lots.
2) Motion 93-10: MOTION BY JIM KEYES, SECONDED BY TOM
GORMAN RECOMMENDING COUNCIL [deletion] APPROVAL OF
THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN CONDITIONAL UPON RESOLUTION
OF THE MCALEXANDER AND GRAMOR JOINT DRIVEWAY ISSUE
AND THAT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY
PRIOR TO RESOLVING THE ISSUE.
3) Motion 94-14: MOTION BY GEORGE KNIGHT, SECONDED BY
TOM GORMAN RECOMMENDING PRELIMINARY [addition]
COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE SOUTHWEST YELM ANNEXATION
DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT CONTINGENT
UPON SATISFACTORILY ADDRESSING ISSUES RAISED AND
IDENTIFIED AT THE FEBRUARY 1, 1993 PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING (SEE MOTION 93-12).
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MOTION BY TOM GORMAN, SECONDED BY TOM CUNDY APPROVING THE
FEBRUARY 22, 1993 MINUTES AS CORRECTED. MOTION CARRIED.
2.
Johnston Mini-Warehouse Site Plan (SPRSOS3) Puhlic
Hearing continued from February 22, 1993. Tim Schlosser
opened the public hearing at 4:10 p.m. Shelly Badger
briefed Commission members on the results of her recent
conversation with Yelm's attorney. The attorney
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indicated that in light of other activity going on within
the City immediate compliance in meeting site
improvements should not be required. He recommended a
two-year deferral on paving and sidewalk installation.
He also pointed out that the City has a legal right to
set new requirements upon expiration of a permit. Shelly
Badger informed members that commercial and plat
ordinances needed to be brought up to date and that the
City should make a determination as to the future
development of Second Street prior to requiring site
improvements.
Discussion followed as to the situation{s) leading up to
the questioning of improvements being required. Badger
explained that the City doesn't have an ordinance in
place requiring site improvements when/if expansion
occurs. Existing ordinances require review of site plans
only if they exceeded the arbitrary size of 4,000 square
feet. Tom Gorman and Tim Schlosser agreed that all
projects should be subject to the same review and
requirements. Shelly Badger explained that in the past
the City had made decisions on an individual basis at
staff level and that the expected level of activity was
used to guide improvement requirements.
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Tom Gorman expressed his feelings that every business
should recognize that expansion means bringing property
up to standards. Badger explained that improvements had
been required for buildings but that it had not been the
practice to do the same for site improvements.
Roberta Longmire felt very strongly that an ordinance was
needed to insure that the Planning Commission and
Building Dept. recommendations would not be overturned or
changed.
Shelly Badger said that staff would try to expedite
passage of commercial and subdivision ordinances.
Roberta Longmire told members that past policy had been
to use Lacey's ordinances when the City did not have one
of their own in place.
93-17
MOTION BY TOM GORMAN, SECONDED BY JOE HUDDLESTON
APPROVING THE JOHNSTON MINI-WAREHOUSE SITE PLAN (SPR8083)
AS PROPOSED WITH SIDEWALKS AND PAVING TO BE MADE WITHIN
TWO YEARS OF OCCUPANCY. MOTION CARRIED.
AYES - 4, NAYS - 2
Shelly Badger pointed out the importance of applying
these same standards evenly across the board until
ordinances are in place.
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members felt a definite need for an ordinance addressing
the issue of standards and that the standards, both
interim and final, be applied evenly across the board.
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Brown Annexation Boundary - Discussion. Shelly Badger
passed along Council's request for input and guidance on
this 10% annexation petition. She explained that what
had been happening is that Council has been approving
annexation areas as part of a petitioner's 10% initial
annexation petition. When the proponent had completed
gathering required signatures the annexation went to the
Planning Commission where recommendations have recently
been made to change boundaries. Council, not wishing to
delay applicants or have them lose their 60% approval by
the additional burden of gathering signatures to square
up boundaries, had not acted on Commission
recommendations.
Following discussion members felt that the annexation
area outlined in red (on the map) formed a reasonable
boundary.
Some members expressed feeling a need for Council
direction pertaining to the application of established
policies requiring squared boundaries. Members felt that
if Council's position had changed, approving any
annexation that falls within the Urban Growth Boundary,
that Council should advise the Planning Commission of
that change.
4. Councilmembers noted receipt of a letter from Ken Garmann
expressing interest in serving on the Planning
Commission. No vacancies exist at this time.
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Members reviewed the proposed C-3 zone. Discussion
showed several flaws including limiting hardware sales at
lumber yards to 1000 square feet and questioned wrrat
would be accomplished by adoption of this new zone.
Staff was asked to prepare a comparison table of uses
permitted in existing and proposed commercial zones.
The meeting was adjourned at 5:10 p.m.
Submitted,
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City of Yelm
105 Yelm A venue West
P 0 BO;K 479'
Yelm, Washington 98597
(206) 458-3244
AGENDA
CITY OF YELM PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MONDAY, MARCH 1, 1993, 4:00 P.M.
YELM CITY ~L COU~CIL CHAMBERS
I. Call to Order, Roll Call, Approval of Minutos
Feb~uary 22J 19~~
2. Johnston Mini....Warehouse Site Pla~ (~PR8083) - Cont,irl\ued l?\.1blic
Hearing. Continu~d frpm 2/2a/93 ~ Decision.
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Brown Annexation Boundary - Discussion
Mill Rd. and 105th
4. Ken Garmann letter.
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Enclosures are available to non-Cormuiss.ion member-s 11pon r~que9t.
If yoU need special arrangements to attend ot participate in this
meeting; pleasec::on,tact Agnes Colotnpo, City Clerk, at 458.-8404.
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YELM PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1993, 4:00 PM
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Agenda Item/
Motion No
1. The Meeting was called to order at 4:00 by Chairman Tim
Schlosser.
Members present: Roberta Longmire, E. J. Curry, John
Kinnee, Tim Schlosser, Jim Keyes, Torn Cundy, Torn Gorman
and George Knight. Joe Huddleston left due to illness.
Guests: Margaret Clapp, Yelm Chamber of Cormnerce i Dennis
Su, KCMi Robert Thorpe, Thorpe & Associates, Bob Beaupre,
Gramor Development. Deborah McAlexander, Al Johnston and
Ted Foreid. Staff present: Shelly Badger, Jerry Prock,
Tim Peterson and Agnes Colombo,
Agenda additions/deletions:
Agenda Item #5 Rainier View Shopping Center was
withdrawn by the proponent.
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Clarification of 1/25/93 Motion No. 93-02 indicated
that the Planning Cormnission's intent through the motion
was that no left into the McDonald's site be permitted
from Yelm Avenue until a 3rd/turn lane is added and that
the city engineer's recormnendations be followed. The
Cormnission stated its preference would be to also not
permit left turns out of the site onto Yelm Avenue.
MOTION BY JOHN KINNEE, SECONDED BY ROBERTA LONGMIRE THAT
THE JANUARY 25, 1993 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES BE
APPROVED AS PRESENTED. MOTION CARRIED.
2. The East "507" Zoning (ANX8042 tabled from the January
regular meeting) was tabled to the next regular meeting
on March 15, 1993. 5'CCt=. 1'i\'fIVL. '2..''-,I'I'l'1 Mlvyut-"'':.
The Cormnission would like clarification from City Council
on squaring of annexation issues. Questioned is whether
squaring up of boundaries for individual annexations
should still be considered or if this policy should no
longer be considered by the Cormnission as annexations now
fall within Yelm's Urban Growth Boundary.
Cormnission members felt the proposed C-3 Low Traffic
Cormnercial Zone being requested for a portion of the
"507" annexation should be formally adopted through an
Ordinance of City Council prior to being recormnended for
use by the Planning Cormnission.
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prairie Creek Subdivision (SUB8079) Preliminary Plat.
The Planning Cormnission had recormnended approval of the
plat wlth conditions applying to stub roads and meeting
city engineer's requirements. Members were given and
reviewed a copy of a letter to the developer (Leo
Deathrage) which addressed City requirements for the
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development. Commission members stated their opposition
to granting access directly onto Middle Road from any of
the lots. Members felt that access to all lots,
including existing lots, should be through the
development access only.
4.
Nisqually Plaza Site Plan (SPR8074) Continued Public
Hearing. The public hearing was opened at 4:20 p.m. by
Tim Schlosser. Shelly Badger explained that improvements
for the north side of the road will run from Clark Rd. to
Plaza Dr. Improvements being made were through the
combined efforts of all the property owners. Frontage
improvements will include a light at the existing exit
that will control traffic into and out of the Plaza and
from vancil Rd. (similar to the light at Sixth and
Sleater-Kinney in Lacey) as well as the highway. Also
planned is channelization and a bike path along the
route.
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Bob Beaupre, - Gramor Development, stated that Gramor and
Key Bank had reached an agreement about blending their
properties and Gramor's concept. He also stated that he
didn't believe that the Plaza should have to provide
space for a bus stop, which could result in the loss of
approximately 20 parking spaces. Discussion on the
matter with InterCity Transit is continuing at this
point. When questioned Beaupre said that at this time it
didn't look like Jayhawks would continue in the Plaza
that unresolved issues for both parties exist.
Deborah Mcalexander - submitted a letter requesting that
approval of the site plan include a requirement that the
roadway issue be resolved. Bob Beaupre stated that he
was working with and would continue to work with the
McAlexanders to resolve differences and improve access to
their property.
Shelly Badger pointed out that the Planning Commission
would be giving final approval of the site plan, it would
not go before the City Council. Any restrictions or
conditions imposed by the Commission would be enforced by
the Yelm Building Department.
John Kinnee questioned access from what are proposed fast
food pads. Bob Beaupre replied that while the conceptual
plans indicated this use, users had not been tied down
for the sites and that businesses other than fast food
could go onto the sites.
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Jim Keyes stated that he had no problems with the site
plan and that he did not favor attaching conditions. He
also felt the City's suggested requirement for
improvements on 103rd to the end of the Texaco property
was not objectionable.
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Motion No
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93-11
Public Hearing was closed at 4:40 p.m.
MOTION BY JIM KEYES, SECONDED BY TOM GORMAN RECOMMENDING
APPROVAL OF THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN CONDITIONAL UPON
RESOLUTION OF THE MCALEXANDER AND GRAMOR JOINT DRIVEWAY
ISSUE AND THAT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY
PRIOR TO RESOLVING THE ISSUE.
6. Johnston mini-warehouse Site Plan (SPR8083) Public
Hearino. The Public Hearing was opened at 4:45 by Tim
Schlosser.
Shelly Badger explained that the original, scaled down
version of this project, had been submitted to the City
in 1989. The project is before the Commission now
because it has increased in size.
Torn Gorman questioned using gravel instead of paving the
driveway. Discussion on the driveway indicated that an
existing mini-storage, within the city, has been allowed
to build additional units without being required to pave.
Members wanted staff to check the legality of: a)
requiring paving on this project considering that the
project was originally submitted in 1989 and, b)
requiring paving when an existing business is operating
without paving.
Members discussed frontage improvements and the possible
deferment of the requirement. Keyes stated that while
the City had deferred improvements in the past this
should be based solely on the needs of the City, not the
developer. When questioned Jerry Prock, Yelm Building
Inspector, stated that he had seen it done both ways.
Schlosser emphasized that it should be for the benefit of
the City.
Al Johnston, project developer, felt that sidewalks could
wa~t due to the upcoming sewer project. Shelly Badger
explained that the sewer lines had a very small diameter
and should not be an issue. Tim Schlosser explained that
unless the City indicates to the Commission that they
want improvements deferred the Commission is inclined to
not allow deferments.
Al Johnston expressed his desire to begin the project as
soon as possible.
Public Hearing closed at 5:00.
MOTION BY TOM CUNDY, SECONDED BY JOHN KINNEE TO TABLE THE
ISSUE UNTIL THE MARCH 1, 1993 MEETING WHEN INFORMATION AS
TO THE LEGALITY OF QUESTIONS RAISED CAN BE CLARIFIED BY
CITY STAFF. MOTION CARRIED.
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Mini-Warehouse in Conunercial Zone Public Hearing. Public
Hearing opened and closed. Commission members
reemphasized their concern about permitting the location
of mini-warehouse facilities in commercial zones. C-1 was
intended more with pedestrian traffic in mind, not for
traffic oriented businesses.
8. Southwest Yelm Annexation - Members discussed the minutes
from the February 1, 1993 Planning Commission Meting.
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MOTION BY TOM GORMAN, SECONDED BY GEORGE KNIGHT THAT
MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 1, 1993 BE APPROVED AS CORRECTED.
MOTION CARRIED.
CORRECTION: ISSUES TO BE RESOLVED CONDITIONAL TO
RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE SOUTHWEST YELM
ANNEXATION:
Waste water Rainier School District
Transportation Ground water supply
Concurrency Wetlands
PopulatioB estimates
PlaBBiBg mitigatioB
ISSUES NEEDING TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT, BUT NOT
INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS TO BE MET FOR APPROVAL
RECOMMENDATION:
Population estimates
Storm water
wildlife
Conunercial element
Rural use buffers
Planning mitigation
Lifestyle impacts
Power lines
Rural use buffers
Historic structures,
etc.
Tim Schlosser asked for the feelings of the group. Tom
Gorman asked if the goal/intent/objectives addressed in
the Draft EIS were adequate?
Shelly Badger explained that the Draft Environmental
Impact Statement was for the annexation only. Issues
raised would be addressed by the City Council in the
final EIS, some issues wouldn't be known until the
actual platting phase of the project.
Dennis Su, KCM, and Robert Thorpe, Thorpe & Associates,
explained that the final EIS for Annexation would go to
the City Council for approval. If approved it then goes
to the Thurston Co. Boundary Review Board for approval.
Approval would be for annexation with the current 1
dwelling per 5 acre zoning. (This process would be
repeated at each stage of the development, i.e. zoning,
platting. )
Roberta Longmire questioned the Rainier School District
lssue.
Dennis Su pointed out that they (KCM) could choose to do
nothing, some cities are in more than one school
district, Lacey for example. It is also possible that
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when developed residents could submit a petition to be in
the Yelm School District or, some land could be
exchanged/switched. KCM has been in contact with the
Rainier Superintendent and will be meeting with the
School Board. The goal is not to have the School
District invoke jurisdiction.
John Kinnee explained the funding issues raised when
children attend schools outside their district.
Petitioning is allowed by law, however, the district that
gains students doesn't get full funding benefit. Taxes
would continue to go to the district that the home is
physically located in.
Robert Thorpe, Thorpe & Associates, stated that in his
conversations with Rainier School District they have made
their position very clear, they will not give up any
land.
George Knight pointed out that there didn't appear to be
a way to be more objective at this point. Tim Schlosser
questioned if the Commission should indicate a preference
of one of the scenarios offered in the Ers.
MOTION BY G~ORGE KNIGHT, SECONDED BY TOM GORMAN
RECOMMENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE SOUTHWEST YELM
ANNEXATION DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT
CONTINGENT UPON SATISFACTORILY ADDRESSING ISSUES RAISED
AND IDENTIFIED AT THE FEBRUARY 1, 1993 PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING (SEE MOTION 93-12). MOTION CARRIED.
The meeting was adjourned at 6:00 p.m.
Submitted,
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AGENDA
YELM PLANNING COMMISSION
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1993
4:00 PM, YELM CITY HALL
Call to Order, Roll Call, Approval of Minutes
(January 25 1993, regular meeting and Februa~y
work session minutes enclosed)
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East 507 Zoning (ANX-8042)
(Draft C-3 zone enclosed )
Tabled from Januarj meetlng
Prairie Creek Subdivision - Preliminary Plat (SUB-8079) -
Additional reVlew as instructed by Councll
Nisqual'y Plaza Site Plan (SPR-8074) - Continued Public
Hearing - Declslon
Rainier View Shopping Center (Forrester) Rezone (ZON-8077)
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Johnston Mini-warehouse Site Plan (SPR-8083) - Public
Hearing DeC1Slon (Site drawlng enclosed)
Mini-Warehouses in Commercial Zones - Public Hearing
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WORKSHOP MEETING, MONDAY, FEBRUARY 1, 1993, 4:00 PM,
YELM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
ANNUAL REPORT - The Commission declined to prepare or submit an
annual report as called for by YMC 2.36.050(G). Apparently no such
reports have been submitted in the past.
FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS - The Commission unofficially decided that
residential lot by lot sidewalk construction should be accompanied
by a developer's two-year bond to ensure completion of the sidewalk
network. (With one year extension at city's option.) Frontage
improvements are to include all streets abutting the project
whether front or back of a lot. Commercial sidewalks and other
frontage improvements are to be made (or guaranteed) as each lot is
developed or improved - "frontage" to be determined based on the
lot description, thus Nisqually Plaza would include l03rd Avenue
unless short platted or divided by binding site plan.
MINI-WAREHOUSES - The Commission instructed that a zoning text
amendment hearing be scheduled. However, the Commission leans
toward permitted mini-warehouses in the C-2 zone and prohibited
in C-l. They were informed that this would be inconsistent with
the Council's intent.
SOUTHWEST YELM ANNEXATION
were identified. (See
forwarded to Thorpe and
meeting.
- Major issues of concern to Commission
attached list.) This list has been
Associates. Dennis Su attended the
SOUTHWEST YELM ANNEXATION: LIST OF ISSUES
*ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE THE PLANNING
COMMISSION IS READY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY
COUNCIL:
*Wastewater
*Rainier School District
*Ground water supply
*Transportation
*Concurrency
*Wetlands
*Population estimates
*Planning mitigation
*ISSUES DETERMINED TO BE IRRELEVANT TO ANNEXATION REQUEST AT
THIS TIME:
*Storm water
*Lifestyle impacts
*Historic structures, etc.
*Wildlife
*Power lines
*Commercial element
*Rural use buffers
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AGENDA ITEM #3: FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENT POLICIES
AGENDA ITEM #4: MINI WAREHOUSE ZONING
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issues
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Agenda Item/
Motion No.
1. The meeting was called to order at 4:00 by Tim Schlosser.
Members present: Roberta Longmire, John Kinnee, Tom
Cundy, Jim Keyes, Tim Schlosser, Jim Brown, Joe
Huddleston and George Knight. Guests: Stefan Fabian-
Moules of Intercity Transit, Margaret Clapp of Yelm
Chamber of Commerce and Randy Radock of McDonald's
Corporation. Bob Beaupre', Richard Embry and David Kehle
of Gramor. Fred Tharp of the Department of
Transportation, Terri Lucero and Gary Vallandingham of
Jayhawks and Doug Cameron of Mr. Doug's Eatery. Jerry
Morrissette and Bill Childress of JW Morrissette &
Associates and Ed Hales of PSG. Roger McKown of Jolly
Roger's, Cindy Schorno and John DiLuzio of Schorno Real
Estate. Jim Forrester, Art Justman, Ed Flood, and
Michael Working. Julia Winegard, Sherrill McNaughton,
and Robin Bryant. Deborah McAlexander, Glen McCarten,
and Frank witt. Staff members present: Shelly Badger,
Todd Stamm, Tim Peterson, Jon Yanasak, Agnes Colombo and
Dana Morgan.
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MOTION BY GEORGE KNIGHT, SECONDED ROBERTA LONGMIRE TO
APPROVE THE DECEMBER 15, 1992, AND JANUARY 4, 1993,
MINUTES AS PRINTED. MOTION CARRIED
No additions or deletions were made to the agenda.
2. McDonald's Restaurant Site Plan (SPR-8074) - Continuation
of the Public Hearing regarding the McDonald's Restaurant
proposed Site Plan.
Public Hearing opened at 4:10 p.m. All speakers were
requested to identify themselves prior to speaking. No
conflict of interest was expressed. No audience
objections to any Planning Commission members
participation was voiced.
Tim Schlosser stated that the proponent attended the last
meeting, and there were some questions about the site
plan, in addition to those questions he was allowed to
hear public comment from people who were here at that
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time, ln order to help him address the situation. Tim
asked if there was anyone else here that would care to
comment on the McDonald's proposal at this time.
Fred Tharp representing the Department of Transportation
D.G.T.), stated that they had the chance to review the
preliminary drawings and proposed furniture improvements
on the McDonald's project but had not had the chance to
comment on the final set. He requested that the records
remain open until they could review the final, revised
set of plans.
Todd Stamm informed Fred Tharp that he would supply
copies of the final drawings to him.
Tim Schlosser asked if there were any more comments from
the public.
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Mr. Radock stated that after the last hearing that was
held, he met with Gene Borges and Mr. Cochran and they
went over everything included in the plans. They then
went through and changed the plans and sent a letter to
the city of Yelm which stated that he would agree to
change their access onto the sight from Solberg St. to
Washington Street if and when Washington St. is ever
opened. Mr. Radock claimed that they would do this
change at the expense of McDonald's Corp. He also said
that anything the state of Washington or the city of Yelm
wanted, they would be willing to go along with. The
design that has been done has not been presented to the
state because they wanted to wait until the site plan was
first approved. Mr. Radock stated that they have gone
through and made a number of changes, including moving
the handicap parking to the building and increasing the
landscaping area.
Mr. Radock feels that they have done just about 99.9% of
everything that the city of Yelm wanted, and asks for an
approval so they can go ahead with the process.
Tim asked Todd if he had any comments to add.
Todd stated that he agreed with Mr. Radock, and believed
that the only other remaining issue is the Dept. of
Transportations approval and a couple of off site
improvements. It is Todds understanding that the off
site improvements is a matter that will be worked out
under the environmental review. The short
plat for the property needs to also be reviewed and
approved. Todd stated that he did not feel it necessary
to have the D.O.T~
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decision.
Roberta Longmire stated that she had the letter that Mr.
Radock wrote to the city on January 8, 1993, which stated
that the ingress/egress along Yelm Ave., has also
remained as originally shown. She asked if Mr. Radocks
position on this matter remained the same.
Mr. Radock stated that the letter was in response to the
meeting that he had with Mr. Borges and Mr. Cochran, and
they agreed that is where the ingress/egress should be.
Todd commented, to take notice of the addition on the
letter which states that there is an agreement or at
least an understanding to revise the access that comes
off of Solberg if and when Washington St. is opened.
Roberta Longmire asked Mr. Tharp if the position of the
Dept. of Transportation was to still have only one access
on the entire piece on Yelm Avenue?
Mr. Tharp stated that yes that would be the states
preference.
Roberta stated that "preference" and "position" are two
different things. She asked Mr. Tharp again, "is the
state going to require only one access on the entire
property, or would they just rather it be that way?"
Mr. Tharp clarified the reason for saying preference
rather than demanding being limited to only one access is
because D.O.T. has a situation of multi-jurisdictions
here. The state having jurisdiction only to the curb
line, where the city ultimately has its own jurisdictions
on granting accesses.
Roberta asked if the city then could allow another
access?
Mr. Tharp stated that yes the city could allow another
access.
Todd addressed the Planning Commissioners and advised
them that they may at this time want to make a
recommendation to council, to approve the McDonald's site
plan without a decision on the access problem at this
time.
Roberta thought that if the planning commission didn't
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be done later about the access.
Tim stated that if something else did come up about the
access at a later date, then they would be addressed at
that time.
Tim brought up the issue of the Left turn from Yelm Ave.
into the establishment. He stated that the City Engineer
opposes this as does he. Tim asked Mr. Radock if the
city of Yelm goes ahead with an approval to proceed, can
they make this a conditioned approval?
Mr. Radock stated there wouldn't be a problem with this,
and if the city or the state wants to come down at a
later date and put a "C" turn or something like it in,
and wants the McDonald's Corp. to do it, then they will
be willing to work something out.
Tim asked if there were any more questions.
No further questions were asked. Tim then
asked someone to entertain a motion.
93-02 MOTION BY GEORGE KNIGHT, SECONDED JOHN KINNEE TO APPROVE
THE PROCEEDINGS ON THE MCDONALD'S SITE PLAN AS LONG AS
THERE IN NOT A LEFT HAND TURN LANE AT THIS TIME. MOTION
CARRIED.
93-03 MOTION BY ROBERTA LONGMIRE, SECONDED JIM BROWN TO
RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT A VARIANCE BE GRANTED
FROM THE ACCESS LIMITATION, THAT IT PERMITS A SECOND
ACCESS IN THAT BLOCK. MOTION CARRIED.
3. East "507" Annexation, Plan Amendment and Zoning -
(ANX-8042) Public hearing regarding proposal to annex
area east of City and north of Highway 507 to 103rd
Avenue, with new "low traffic" commercial zone along
highway, commercial (C-l) zoning west of Yelm Creek and
one-acre residential-agriculture zoning along 103rd.
Tim Schlosser opened the public hearing.
Tim asked the audience if there were any objections to
any of the members on the Planning Commission. There
were none.
Todd Stamm stated that the annexation is proposed
by the owners at 60% of the value. He wanted to clear up
the misunderstanding that the annexation is proposed by
the city, it is not. It takes the property owners of 60%
by accessors value to propose an annexation. That number
has been proposed for this particular annexation.
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Todd explained the areas that would be included in the
East 507 annexation
in detail.
Todd stated that a question for the planning commission
is, "how do we sit down and refine where the C-3 zone is,
if it is even appropriate?"
Todd continued- More than 900 ft back, in other words,
the northern half of the property, is proposed that area
would be zoned one acre residential. That may not be the
permanent zoning, but the one acre residential is the
city's most dense zone that you can really use with out
sewer. At the present time there is not an immediate
proposal for sewer in this area.
Todd said that the city council will ultimately make the
decision whether or not to annex the area or to annex
only a part of the area. The city does not have to annex
the whole area. If the city annexes, they have to annex
what the state law calls "lots with logical boundaries."
Todd pointed out on the map where C-1 and C-2 (heavy
commercial) are.
John Kinnee asked Todd if the proposed northern by-pass
route is going to intersect this proposal?
Todd stated that it does. The northerly route is not so
much a by-pass as a linkage of roads that accesses the
industrial area. It is a two lane road, not a heavy
traffic road, but it is to get some through route to the
north. It includes Grove Rd., and the proposal is to
extend Grove Rd maybe with realignment of it,
across the highway on down to Bald Hills and to move
Bald Hills over that intersection out of Five Corners.
John Kinnee asked if Five Corners is still the proposed
intersection for the southerly route.
Todd said that the vicinity of Five Corners lS.
John asked if there is a possibility that a collector
could be there.
Todd said yes.
Tim Schlosser invited comments from the public.
Art Justman identified himself, and stated that he owns
10 acres on Hwy 507, and does not wish to be in the city
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Bell Telephone already go across this property, which
takes a good chunk out of the property that is to be
annexed. Mr. Justman asked about the C-3. He then asked
if one would be limited to selling small acreages on
Grove Rd., or does one have to sell them in 5 acre plots?
Or can one make them 5 different parcels on the Grove Rd
for commercial? Mr. Justman stated that he did not feel
it was a good idea to put in these new commercial
places when supposedly Yelm is trying to cut down the
traffic. He then claimed that his property was used for
agricultural purposes, he asked if he would still be able
to have his livestock if he is annexed into the city. He
asked if a city ordinance would be passed afterwards that
states that he can not have his livestock in the city
limits?
Tim and Todd reassured Mr. Justman that his property
would be "Grandfathered," and Jim Brown stated that the
City can not close Mr. Justman out from raising his
livestock.
Mr. Justman asked about the separate lots for business on
Grove Rd..
Todd stated that the proposed C-3 zone lot size would be
7200 sq. feet. The lot size for residential would be 1
acre.
Jim Keyes addressed Mr. Justman and stated that a lot is
7200 feet and that 1/6th of an acre could be commercial,
if the lots are to be residential then you would be
limited to a one acre lot.
Jim Keyes stated that in this proposed zoning one can
have "residential single family" each on lots of one acre
or larger.
Todd Stamm talked about the taxes on landowners
properties. He stated that the general policy, and it is
not true 100% of the time, but it is to let landowners
choose to keep their 5 acre zoning.
Mr. Justman showed his concern on the proposed annexation
and claimed that he did not want to be brought into the
city at this time.
Todd Stamm clarified that if the proposed annexation
passes with the 60% needed on the petition, then Mr.
Justman could be forced into the city.
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have to be re-zoned into the C-3, that he could keep the
current zoning that he has now, which is one unit per
five acres, until such time that he wants to petition for
his particular piece of land to be re-zoned.
Tim Schlosser asked if there were any other questions or
comments.
Michael Working identified himself and showed where his
land is located on the map.
Mr. Working showed concern for his piece of property that
has 3 zonings proposed to run through it.
Jim Keyes stated that he did not think it was necessary
to run a line through someones piece of property.
Todd confirmed this and stated that the bottom line would
be that Mr. Working would have to tell the city his
preference.
Mr. Working stated that he would like his property to be
upgraded as much as possible. He also said that he wants
commercial.
Roger McKown identified himself and told his story of how
this proposed annexation started.
He went to the city and asked why they were not in the
city limits when they had city water etc.. The city told
him he would have to get a petition signed by 60%, so he
went to all the neighbors including the Floods, the
Lumber Yard and all together he has 73% on the petition.
Mr. McKown then addressed Mr. Justman and stated that the
proposed annexation and the
C-3 would benefit them. Roger felt that this annexation
is strongly needed and would be of advantage to many
people. Roger told Mr. Justman that he sympathized with
him but thought that Mr. Justman was still in a good
position.
Mr. Justman asked Mr. McKown if he would guarantee him
that his taxes would not go up.
After some laughter from the commission and the audience,
Mr. McKown stated that he had read many pamphlets and to
him it looked like the taxes for businesses or commercial
uses would most likely go up but not usually residential
or farm areas.
Mr. Justman asked Mr. McKown if he was one of the city
founders?
Mr. McKown said no.
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Mr. McKown stated that he has a lot of time invested in
this city also. He grew up here, he is ready for
development as are other landowners, he feels that C-3
would benefit many.
Mr. Justman asked about Tranquility Lane.
He wondered why it was left out when it is right in the
center of the city?
Jim Keyes stated that this was also a question of his.
He then asked Mr. McKown if he had approached the people
on Tranquility Lane?
Mr. McKown stated that he had not asked the people on
Tranquility Ln., partly because most of the landowners on
Tranq. Ln. live out of state and the main goal for the
development was to move rapidly. Roger said that they
are already 4 months into this project, and if they were
to contact everyone in that Tranq. Ln. subdivision it
could tack on another 6-8 months. Mr. McKown is not
saying that the Tranq. Ln. owners should not be included.
Jim Keyes commented on the whole Tranquility Lane issue
and stated that it is something to think about.
Jim also stated that he was not trying to throw a monkey
wrench into the annexation plans, but thinks that before
anyone goes ahead with roads and sewer the Tranq. Ln.
issue should first be cleared up.
Roberta Longmire pointed out that the configuration for
the proposed annexation does not really comply with the
city's policy for "squaring up annexation's." Roberta
feels that by leaving this Tranq. Ln. portion out it
looks as though the city is making a little island.
Tim Schlosser asked if there were any more comments from
the public.
Ed Flood identified himself. Mr. Flood's concern is for
the fact that he owns less than 9 acres and according to
the county he can not build a house on less than 5 acres.
He would like it to get to where they can build a house
to an acre.
Fred Tharp of D.O.T. asked if through this annexation
process, could the commission or the council in this
case, look at limiting all accesses off of the state
highway to one per parcel or to keep the existing access?
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Mr. Justman thought that everyone has dollar signs in
their eyes, and feels that if he has to be included in
this annexation then Tranquility Lane should have to be
also.
Tim Schlosser closed the public hearing.
Tim then asked the commission if they had any questions
or comments.
Roberta asked Todd about part of Mr. Justman's land being
open space and if it is zoned C-3 would the county allow
it to remain open space?
Todd stated that he has been trying to get an answer to
that question, and has not succeeded so far. Todd said
that the county uses a scoring system for each parcel to
see if it qualifies, and it is possible that the county
would have to re-score Mr. Justmans property.
Tim asked if there were any other comments from the
commission.
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George Knight agreed that the "island" (Tranquility Lane)
could not be left there.
Tim stated that it was his understanding from George's
comment that the commission's recommendation to the
council should be that in order for this annexation to
proceed, the Tranq. Ln. situation should be resolved.
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MOTION BY GEORGE KNIGHT, SECONDED ROBERTA LONGMIRE
TO RESOLVE THE TRANQUILITY LANE SITUATION BEFORE
APPROVING THE EAST 507 ANNEXATION. MOTION CARRIED.
4. Yelm Creek/Middle Road Annexation, Plan amendment
and Zoning (ANX-a073)- Public hearing regarding
proposal to annex about fifty acres lying on either
side of Middle Road and along Yelm
Creek.
Tim Schlosser opened the public hearing and asked the
audience if there were any objections to anyone on the
planning commission. There were none.
Todd briefly discussed and explained the proposed
annexation, using a map on the wall.
Tim asked if any of the proponents were represented and
did they have any comments?
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Jerry Morrissette with JW Morrissette & Associates
identified himself and stated that Bill Childress and
himself were there to represent the proponents of the
annexation and would be available if anyone had any
questions.
Tim asked if there were any comments from the audience.
Julia Winegard identified herself and stated that they
absolutely did not want single family zoning. She felt
that the zoning would hurt them financially since the
farm is their financial livelihood. She stated that they
would like to keep it agricultural with the grandfather
rights on it.
Tim asked if there were
public. There were none.
hearing.
any more comments from the
Tim then closed the public
Roberta Longmire asked Todd to show her on the map where
the city limits were and where this proposed annexation
would be.
Todd explained in detail the proposed annexation using
the hanging map as a guideline.
Roberta Longmire asked Todd about a certain
area on the map. She asked if the space
between the proposed annexation area and the Ft. Stevens
school was county.
Todd said yes, the area Roberta was referring to is
county.
He then went on to tell about a certain rule that
applies. If the city goes ahead with the proposed
annexation, and there is 80% or more enclosed by the
city, then it only takes 50% of the ownership to sign a
petition for that to be approved by the city.
Joe Huddleston asked if there have been any efforts to
contact the landowners on this issue.
Jerry Morrissette stated that there was a difference
between this issue and the situation discussed earlier on
the agenda. Joe clarified that the landowners have been
contacted and specifically requested to be included, and
they indicated that they do not wish to be included at
this time.
Tim Schlosser asked Jerry Morrissette if these landowners
were included, then would the 60% go away?
Mr. Morrissette stated that was their understanding.
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Jim Keyes informed the commission and the audience that
he would not be voting on this issue, although he didn't
have a conflict or problem with this matter he had talked
with the developer about a year before and felt it would
be an uncomfortable situation for him.
John Kinnee stated that if our logic in the last
situation (last item discussed on the agenda) was to look
for continuous lines, then this matter looks like a far
greater dilemma.
Roberta Longmire thought that this situation would not be
such a problem if the portion of property north of Middle
Rd. was not on there.
Roberta went on to talk of a little bit of history. She
stated that whenever there was an annexation presented to
the city, it made no difference what the configuration
was, they would just go in and out of who wanted to be in
and who didn't. That is how we got the boundaries that
we have. That is why we have now put the policy in to
try to square up the lines.
Shelly Badger asked a question about the urban growth
boundary.
Todd Stamm stated that the urban growth boundary is an
absolute limit that you can not go beyond whether they
are logical boundary lines or not.
Tim Schlosser mentioned that the city will again have a
little stretch of road that is county owned and
controlled and all the rest lS city.
Todd clarified that the rule of taking the road is not an
absolute rule.
It is a matter of two things; a negotiation with the
county public works department and the city councils
preference that if we annex someone that we maintain
their streets for them.
John Kinnee asked if the part that is ln the city by
Railroad right now is heavy industrial?
Todd and George Knight confirmed that across on N.P. road
is heavy industrial.
John K. then asked about the buffer, and if it was still
a concern to maintain a buffer between industrial and
residential?
Todd affirmed.
Roberta L. stated that she did not see anything wrong
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with this annexation south of Middle Rd., but she does
have a problem with north of Middle Road.
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MOTION BY ROBERTA LONGMIRE, SECONDED GEORGE KNIGHT TO
RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THE APPROVAL TO ANNEX EVERYTHING
SOUTH OF MIDDLE RD AND RAILWAY BUT NOT NORTH OF MIDDLE RD
WITH THE WOOD PROPERTY TO BE 5 ACRES AND TO APPROVE THE
PROPOSED ZONING. MOTION CARRIED.
Todd Stamm reminded the planning commission that the
council can cut down an annexation, but when they cut it
down the remainder still has to be the 60% rule. In the
end it still has to be tested against that again.
5. prairie Creek Subdivision - Preliminary Plat
(SUB-8079) Review of proposed 64-10t residential
subdivision south of intersection of Middle and Railway
Roads.
Tim Schlosser asked if it was appropriate to go on with
this item before we know if the council is going to
accept our recommendation on limiting the size of this
annexation?
Todd had two comments. He thought it would be
appropriate to go forward because this subdivision is
within the part that the commission has recommended for
annexation, but given the amount of people that are
present tonight, and this is not a public hearing issue,
then it is up to the planning commission if they want to
move this item around on the agenda.
Tim informed everyone that they would move agenda item #5
down until the remaining public hearings were taken care
of. Tim asked Jerry Morrissette if this would be ok.
Jerry agreed and said "if the city is happy, then he is
happy. "
6. Nisqually Plaza Site Plan (SPR-S074) - Public hearing
regarding proposal to remodel Nisqually Plaza,
construct new 49,000 ft. food market, and
provide three "fast food" pads.
Tim opened the public hearing and asked if
there were any objections to anyone on the planning
commission. There were none.
Todd Stamm explained in detail what the
Nisqually Plaza proposed site plan would
entail. He then brought up what some of the key lssues
were:
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*Removal of Jayhawks/replaced with 49,000 ft food market.
*Proposed drug store at the existing Thriftway sight.
*The addition of three fast food pads.
*Remodel and remark parking lot.
*Off sight highway improvements.
*Traffic light at main entrance, new proposed
intersection at Vancil Road and new access entrance at
other end.
*Back entrance access on 103rd.
Some other issues Todd brought up:
*Intercity Transit bus service to Yelm in September.
*Bike Lane.
*Participation at Five Corners.
*Requirement of frontage improvements along highway?
Including the improvement of building fronts and property
fronts on 103rd?
John Kinnee asked if 103rd is an issue?
Todd said yes, and the agreements are in place-(Todd
showed area being referred to on the hanging map.)
Shelly Badger stated that the city has not met with all
the players but there has been some discussion with
D.O.T. about bringing the improvement packages together
and doing it all at one time.
Todd stated that the improvements Shelly was speaking of
were the intersection improvements.
Todd said that he had received some written comments.
There were comments from Intercity Transit and also Key
Bank. The bottom line on Key Bank is that they are
requesting 30 days continuation of the hearing, so that
they can continue to review and meet with the Gramor
people.
Todd stated that a written comment from the McAlexander's
was also received, showing concern about shared access
designs. The McAlexander's have basically outlined the
problems they have been having with the existing
structure and the proposal really does not seem to solve
anything.
Tim asked if the proponents were present.
Bob Beaupre', President of Gramor Development Northwest
Inc., introduced himself as well as Richard Embry,
Project Manager and David Kehle, Architect.
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Richard Embry then proceeded to give a presentation using
picture boards with colored blue print drawings to
explain in detail the positive aspects of their proposed
plans for the Nisqually Plaza.
Mr. Embry stated that they are against the Intercity
Transit bus service coming into the shopping center
parking lot to pick up people. They feel that typically
the parking lot to the shopping center would soon become
nothing but a "park and ride" where people would not make
good use out of the Nisqually Plaza shopping center but
would simply ride the bus to Olympia to do their
shopping. Mr. Embry stated that they feel it would be
better to have a bus service pick up people somewhere
outside of the shopping center, like off of 103rd.
Mr. Embry basically covered all of the issues that Todd
brought up in his opening statement, including the issue
of Key Bank's current accesses and Gramor's proposal to
change the access problem, so that there are two
entrances and two exits for the bank's drive through
area.
Tim Schlosser asked Mr. Embry how far the double left
hand turn lane would extend?
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Mr. Embry confirmed that the turn lane would extend the
full length of the shopping center.
Roberta Longmire asked Mr. Embry about the
most westerly entrance. She asked if they
moved that road off of the McAlexander
property?
Mr. Embry stated that they did not and that the road is
split half and half, the way it is located now (pointing
to the map Mr. Embry showed where it represents its
current location.)
Mr. Embry spoke of how it is their intent to keep things
the same as much as possible.
Roberta asked Mr. Embry if the barriers on the map are
what is separating McAlexanders property at this time?
Mr. Embry affirmed.
Roberta Longmire asked about the problem of backing out
from McAlexanders into oncoming traffic.
David Kehle, Architect, stated that there is still the
required amount of back up room as long as people are
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parking at the 90 degree angle to the building.
Frank witt spoke of the original traffic problem, which
was when people were shot-gunning across the whole
parking lot because there were not any designated lines
or markings. The city then made arrangements to have the
barriers put in front of the McAlexanders property to
separate them from the shopping center parking lot.
Deborah McAlexander identified herself and stated that
their survey did not agree with the city's. She told the
measurements of the space that they have in front of
their building. She stated that they never felt crowded
before. Her husband and her carne out in a good size
station wagon, she parked it as far up to the curbing as
she could. When she backed out she had 17 feet 6 inches,
and that put her directly on the center line of the two
lane road. She felt that this was not a comfortable way
to back out, her tenants are not happy, and feels that
there will be a terrible accident if something is not
done.
Roberta Longmire asked Mrs. McAlexander if she granted an
easement for this roadway?
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Mrs. McAlexander said no and stated that everything with
the barriers and the roadway was done without their
knowledge.
Mrs. McAlexander stated that she felt the solution would
be to have her own driveway but the city will not let
that happen.
There was further discussion on the McAlexander property
with Mrs. McAlexander, Mr. Embry and Mr. Kehle. They
decided they would meet and go over the plans, to work
something out.
Tim Schlosser asked if anyone had any more comments?
Stefan Fabian-Moules from Intercity Transit identified
himself. He then went on to state the positive aspects
of having the bus service go into the shopping center.
Mr. F. Moules stated that it most likely would be a
transit van (approx. 18-20 feet) rather than a bus.
He said that since most of the people using the service
would be citizens without vehicles or ones that have
disabilities, and these people should not have to walk a
far distance, therefor Intercity Transit feels that a
good place to pick up the citizens would be in the
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shopping center. Mr. F.Moules stated that he wants the
chance to work with everyone including Gramor and the
community of Yelm .
Joe Huddleston asked if Mr. F.Moules is referring to a
bus stop area similar to the one that is behind the South
Sound Shopping Center in Lacey?
Mr. F.Moules said yes, but not as large. It would be big
enough to have shelters and hold one to three transit
vehicles (i.e. one bus and a van, or two vans...) He
said that they are looking at about 18-100 feet, and yes
it would take up some parking spaces. But out of the 635
parking spaces proposed, the bus service area would take
only about 9-10 spaces.
Mr. Embry addressed Mr. Fabian-Moules and stated that
Gramor had not had a chance to meet with Intercity
Transit. Mr. Embry then went on to discuss the safety
concerns that Gramor has with a bus service site being in
the shopping center.
Mr. Fabian-Moules addressed Gramor' s concerns, and stated
that Intercity Transit and Gramor really should meet on
this matter and work it out, rather than do it at this
meeting.
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John DiLuzio of Schorno Real Estate stated his feelings
on the Intercity Transit bus service going into the
shopping center. He feels that Gramor has made every
effort to comply and meet the Yelm communities needs.
He feels that the bus service area in the shopping center
parking lot would not be beneficial to the community as
well as the potential plan to turn it into a Park & Ride.
Mr. Fabian-Moules disagreed with Mr. DiLuzio and stated
that he thought a Park & Ride would provide a good source
of revenue for the shopping center and would be an asset
to the community. He feels that with all of the growth
that is happening the traffic situation is going to
increase and the problems will get worse whether they are
in Lacey, Olympia or Yelm. He stated that the bus
service is a good solution to the future problems.
Terri Lucero, CEO Jayhawks, stated that she too had not
seen any plans or heard anything on the proposal until 3
days before this meeting. She went on to state her
concerns and feelings on the issue of the removal of the
Jayhawks store. Ms. Lucero stated that she did not want
to take up the planning commissions time, but since there
seemed to be a lack of communication between herself and
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the developers, she would have Jayhawks' attorney get in
touch with Gramor. She said that they loved the Yelm
community always hoped that they would be a part of it in
all future plans, but apparently this was not looking
possible.
Jim Brown asked Ms. Lucero why the Jayhawks store
couldn't be located in one of the proposed shop areas?
Ms. Lucero stated that she wished she knew the
answer to that question. She said that she has gone over
this matter with Gramor, and feels that actually it would
seem to make more sense to tell Gramor that she will
close for 6 months (January-June) because in retail
reality, sales are not very good during those months
anyway. But then they have 30+ employees to deal with,
there are storms that corne up without notification, the
community, schools and the D.A.R.E. Bear program are
very, very important to Jayhawks.
Ms. Lucero thanked Tim Schlosser and the rest of the
commission members for their time and all of their help
in the past. She stated that they would greatly miss
serving the Yelm Community.
Tim personally recognized the fact that Jayhawks is and
has been for a very long time a very important part of
the Yelm community. He would hate to see the store
leave, but this is probably not an issue that the
planning commission can address. It is a situation that
the landlords and tenants need to work out.
Mr. Embry addressed Ms. Lucero's concerns and comments,
stating that they had met and discussed this issue.
Ms. Lucero then commented and stated that yes they did
meet with Mr. Embry and Gramor. It was a positive
meeting and the last she heard was that if Gramor decided
to proceed on this project that Jayhawks would be
contacted at the end of October 92', and to this date she
had never received such phone call.
Tim Schlosser stated that as a private citizen, he would
encourage Jayhawks and Gramor to work out the details,
because again the community would hate to see Jayhawks
leave.
Cindy Schorno from Schorno Real Estate went over some
details on the map. She talked of the concern that her
father, Larry Schorno, had about their property and the
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concern they have about that road is the upgrading of it
and what the cost would be.
There was detailed discussion about the private road,
Plaza Drive, with comments from Frank witt.
Roberta Longmire asked Mr. Witt if he was saying he would
deed Plaza Drive to the city?
Mr. Witt stated that he did not even know if the city
would want that street, but either the street would be
deeded to the city or a mutual agreement would be made
with the parties to make the street open to the public,
even though it has never been restricted to public use in
the past.
Richard Embry addressed the Plaza Drive issue.
Roberta L. asked Mr. Embry if the configuration of Plaza
Drive would be changed?
Mr. Embry stated that it would not be, except that part
of it would become a small portion of parking lot.
There was continued discussion throughout the room about
the Plaza Drive issue.
Doug Cameron, owner of Mr. Doug's Eatery, asked Mr. Embry
if they planned to put in any curbs or barricades in
front of his establishment?
Mr. Embry stated that he would like to meet with the
McAlexanders to measure the parking and clear up the
concerns there. He told Mr. Cameron that they did not
have any plans to close off any of the parking at Mr.
Doug's.
Fred Tharp stated that the Dept. of Transportation has
not had sufficient time to review the proposed plans for
the Nisqually Plaza, felt that there are obvious
communication problems, and requested that this issue
continue for 30 days. Mr. Tharp felt that there are just
too many issues that still need to be addressed, before
any decisions are made. Two issues for example:
*The Vancil Rd. alignment.
*The continuation onto the Schorno/Witt property
and then off to Creek Street.
Julia Winegard addressed the Intercity Transit
representative, stating that there are other large pieces
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of land that the city already owns that could possibly be
used for a bus service area.
Tim Schlosser asked if there were anymore comments from
the public. There were none. He then closed the public
hearing. Todd reminded Tim of Key Banks 30 day request.
Tim had question about the two way left hand turn lane.
Fred Tharp stated that the dept. of transportation is
still working on that with the city of Yelm.
MOTION BY JOE HUDDLESTON, SECONDED JIM BROWN TO TABLE THE
NISQUALLY PLAZA PROPOSAL FOR 30 DAYS SO THAT ALL PARTIES
CAN MEET AND WORK OUT THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN
RAISED. MOTION CARRIED.
7.
Rainier View Shopping Center Rezone (ZON-8077) -
Public hearing regarding proposed twenty-acre "C-l"
commercial zone southeast of Highway 507 on "Forrester"
property.
There were no objections to anyone on the commission.
Tim stated that he knew of a certain transaction
pertaining to this issue and disqualified himself. Tim
left the room.
Jim Keyes filled ln for Tim Schlosser.
Todd Stamm explained briefly the memo that was sent to
the planning commission.
Jim Keyes opened the public hearing.
Ed Hales of PSG, explained briefly what his anticipations
were. He then stated that PSG is the firm that would
like to build the shopping center in the area southeast
of Hwy 507, and they are applying to rezone this area. He
brought up some positive aspects of the project.
Some key points brought up by Ed Hales were:
*City is growing, need more than two grocery stores
now.
*The proposed shopping center area is out of the
downtown area.
*Less traffic.
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Todd pointed out some details on the proposed Rainier
View shopping center on the map.
Sherrill McNaughton stated that she owns the
property on the other side of Hwy 507, a 55 acre piece
with a pond. She feels her place is an asset to the
community and she is strongly opposed to the proposed
shopping center. Ms. McNaughton stated that it is not in
the interest of the community to spot zone the highway in
the interest of a personal landowner. She is not opposed
to commercial development, but feels this is not an
appropriate area for a shopping center.
Ms. McNaughton stated that the 50mph speed limit is a
concern of hers as is the fact that the new middle school
will be very close to the shopping center.
Todd Stamm briefly went over a letter that was received
from the Yelm school district with some questions. Ed
Hales addressed these questions and answered "no" to all
three questions.
Robin Bryant, who lives on Sherrill McNaughton's property
feels that this area has high wetlands, is beautiful
country that should not be spoiled by commercial
development.
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Jim Keyes closed the public hearing and asked if there
were any questions from the commission?
Roberta Longmire stated that this proposal does not
comply with the city's overall zoning plan.
Todd addressed Roberta's concern.
George Knight asked Fred Tharp what D.G.T.'s involvement
would be?
Fred Tharp stated
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Jim Forrester stated that D.G.T. has already been
authorized with an entrance, and the speed limit would be
lowered.
Fred Tharp requested that everything be studied more
thoroughly.
Joe Huddleston feels that they are violating their own
principles about where commercial should be. He is
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uncomfortable with putting a shopping center next to a
school and is personally against it.
John Kinnee asked Ed Hales if there lS a schematic of the
proposed 250,000 sq. foot complex?
Ed Hales stated that there was not one at this time.
Mr. Kinnee asked Mr. Hales if it was correct
currently that property doesn't tie into any
roadway other than the state highway?
that
other
Mr. Hales stated that is correct.
Mr. Kinnee asked Fred Tharp if D.O.T. was requesting a 30
day extension on this hearing?
Mr. Tharp affirmed, and stated that they would like the
matter to be studied further through the EIS process.
Jim Forrester stated that this project will not have any
impact on the school traffic since the school is down
Mill Road.
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RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL TO DISAPPROVE THE REQUEST FOR
REZONE. MOTION NOT CARRIED.
Jim Keyes suggested that the proponent get together with
D.O.T. and find out exactly what they want as far as
traffic concerns and what the impact would be on the
highway and let them decide if they want to proceed.
George Knight asked if they could also request a site
plan on some buffers for the school area?
Jim Keyes feels that the proponent needs to provide some
more information that addresses the traffic and school
issues.
The Rainier View Proposal was postponed for 30 days.
Tim Schlosser re-entered the room.
5. prairie Creek Subdivision - Preliminary Plat
(SUB-8079) Review of proposed 64-lot residential
subdivision south of intersection of Middle and Railway
Roads.
Jim Keyes left the room.
Todd Stamm presented lssues for the prairie Creek
subdivision.
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Todd stated that it just occurred to him that possibly
a pond permit might have to be acquired.
Tim Schlosser asked how big the lot sizes are?
Todd stated that the lot sizes are 6000 sq. ft. and up.
Jerry Morrissette, the principle Engineer of Morrissette
and Associates identified himself and introduced Ed
Wilson, the Storm/Water person, and one of the proponents
Bill Childress. Jerry then answered Tim's question
stating that the smallest lots are lot #'s 16 & 17 and
they are 6000 sq feet, and all other lots are larger and
average 8690 sq feet.
Jerry Morrissette is specifically requesting that the
commission approve the preliminary plat of prairie Creek
as submitted or with conditions.
Mr. Morrissette then went on with a detailed discussion
over the eight issues listed on correspondence to the
planning commission.
Bill Childress clarified some lssues.
John Kinnee asked where the
100 year flood plain line is?
Todd Stamm stated that Yelm Creek has the 100
year flood plain, however it does not have a detailed
defined flood plain.
Ed Wilson thought that there is not a flood
hazard situation in this area.
Shelly Badger asked Jerry M. if he had talked to Gene
about this project in reference to the sewer project?
Mr. Morrissette stated that he had not talked to Gene
specifically, but knew about the details involved.
Jerry M., Todd S. and Shelly B. discussed the city water
ordinance.
Jim Brown asked if the project is closer to the school?
(Ft. Stevens)
Jerry M. affirmed.
Roberta Longmire asked Todd about the 6000 sq
meeting the city's standard for the building lot.
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then asked him what the width of the paved roadway would
be?
Todd said they would be 24 feet.
Roberta asked
subdivisions?
if curbs will be required
Todd said they will not.
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Roberta then asked what the price range would be on the
homes in the prairie Creek subdivision?
Bill Childress stated that it was his expectations that
they would be building houses in the $100-120,000 price
range.
Tim Schlosser asked if Middle Rd will handle the traffic
generated by this subdivision?
Todd stated that it should.
Todd and Tim discussed briefly whether the roadway should
be widened and if the road would be able to handle the
amount of traffic generated by the proposed subdivision.
John Kinnee asked if sidewalks would be built all the way
to school from the subdivision? His assumption was that
kids will have to walk the roads to school, he feels that
this certainly does not fall within the states guidelines
of transport.
Mr. Morrissette's assumption was that the school district
will bus the children to school. But he anticipates that
if there are any kids walking to school that they would
be using the shoulder of the existing road.
Todd went on to discuss the sidewalk issue.
Mr. Morrissette further discussed the stub road into the
subdivision.
Tim, and Roberta had comments about stub roads.
John Kinnee asked about the turn-around areas, if they
meet the fire dept. standards?
Mr. Morrissette stated that they intend to do whatever
the Yelm fire dept. requests.
Mr. Morrissette and Ed Wilson explained the Bio-
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Fred Tharp asked who will maintain all the maintenance
for this bio-filtration etc...?
Mr. Morrissette stated that all maintenance will tie into
a home owners group.
Tim S. asked if they are proposing turning the roadways
over to the city?
Mr. Morrissette affirmed.
Roberta Longmire asked if the development would be done
in phases, (i.e. building a section of maybe 3-4 houses
at a time, so that the sidewalks will be continuous for
each section.)
Mr. Childress stated that from past experiences this has
not been a problem, workers usually tend to work from
site to site, and the sidewalk is done in a continuous
matter.
Fred Tharp asked if any provisions are being made to
mitigate the congestion of traffic?
Mr. Morrissette stated that issue has not been addressed
yet.
The traffic lssue was discussed further.
Roberta Longmire asked about the property to the north of
the subdivision being industrial, and she wondered about
buffering this?
Todd stated that the city's standards require the
buffering be taken care of by the industrial party.
Discussion on the issue of the stub roads continued.
Julia Winegard expressed her concerns about the stub
roads. She does not want any obligations to this
development.
Tim S. stated that he agreed with the developer on the
issue of the timing of sidewalk construction. Others
also agreed.
Joe Huddleston thought that it should be required to have
sidewalk outside of development, from property line to
property line on Middle Road.
Tim agreed with Joe and felt it should be required.
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This was discussed further.
The commission cleared up further questions pertaining to
the remaining issues at hand.
MOTION BY JIM BROWN, SECONDED ROBERTA LONGMIRE
RECOMMENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL ON THE PROPOSED PRAIRIE
CREEK SUBDIVISION. MOTION CARRIED.
Meeting adjourned 8:00 p.m.
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CITY OF YELM
PLANNING COMMISSION
SW YELM ANNEXATION DRAFT EIS PUBLIC HEARING
JANUARY 4, 199J, 7:0.0. P.M., CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Tim Schlosser, Planning Commission Chair, opened the meeting at
7:0.0. p.m.
Members Present: Tim Schlosser, Jim Brown, Jim Keyes, George
Knight, John Kinnee, Roberta Longmire, Joe Huddleston, Tom Cundy
and Tom Gorman.
Guests: Paul Steadman, Jon & Mary Lou Clemens, Ken Hofferber,
Elene Newby, Bob Golphenee of the Rainier School District, Ed
Kenney, Ronald Laughlin, Michael Citrak, Mark Carpenter, John
Graver, John Tokarezyk, Kat Ravter, Charles Brown, Fred Enslon,
Michael Jimenez, Brad Barrett and Genevieve Glassy. Patsy Purvis,
David Purvis, Jess & Gayle Hoffman, Rhonda Eilers, Pepper Iverson,
Peter Paulson, LeRoy Bendien, Tom Cline Amy Healy and Bev Kolilis.
Dennis Su of Kramer Chin and Mayo, Bob Hazlett of S. Chamberlain
and Associates, Robert Thorpe of R.W. Thorpe and Associates.
Staff present: Gene Borges, Shelly Badger, Todd Stamm and Agnes
Colombo.
By lot, the following staggered new terms were selected for
Commission members (all terms will be three years following this
current term:
1 Year Term
Jim Keyes
Tom Cundy
Joe Huddleston
2 Year Term
Jim Brown
Tim Schlosser
Roberta Longmire
3 Year Term
Tom Gorman
George Knight
John Kenney
SW Yelm Annexation EIS Public Hearing was opened at 7:0.5 p.m.
Chair Tim Schlosser explained the purpose of the Public Hearing.
All speakers were requested to identify themselves prior to
speaking and to add their names to the sign-in sheet if they wished
to speak or be included on the mailing list for future mailings of
Public Hearings concerning the annexation. Commissioner Joe
Huddleston identified himself as a neighbor of the proposed
annexation and asked if anyone present objected to his
participation. No objection was voiced. No audience objections to
any Planning Commission members participation was voiced. No
members had received information, other than staff reports, prior
to the public hearing.
Todd Stamm, Yelm Planning Department, gave a brief overview of the
Public Hearing. He explained that the annexation would include
approximately 2,0.0.0. acres belonging to 38 property owners. Stamm
indicated that the property could be developed outside the City,
possibly at 1 dwelling per 5 acres. Options available to the
Commission are recommending annexation of all, part or none of the
property. The Commission may also recommend conditions to be
attached to the annexation.
The closing date for written comments is January 15, 1993. Comment
will also be accepted when the matter goes before the City Councll.
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Additional copies of the Draft EIS were available at the meeting.
Stamm distributed Ordinance No. 414 to Commission members defining
City objectives and policies for annexations.
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Stamm pointed out corrections to the Draft EIS. On page 16 the
SEPA Process Chart should go from Preliminary Decision to Boundary
Review Board. On page 114, paragraph 3, discharge to the Centralia
Power canal is authorized by a contract with the City of Centralia.
The NPDES permit has not been issued. Stamm also pointed out that
the permits requested for Yelm's Sewer System do not accommodate
the annexation or development of the property.
Stamm advised the Commission that they would be dealing with
annexation questions only, any development issues would be resolved
at a later date. Based on available information the Commission
must determine and make a recommendation to the city Council to
either approve or deny the annexation request. If the Commission
feels it doesn't have adequate information to make a recommendation
the Commission has the option of requesting additional information
from the proponents.
Dennis Su, representing the proponents, explained that he was at
the meeting to clarify any questions the Commission or audience
might have. He introduced Bob Hazlett of S. Chamberlain &
Associates and Robert Thorp and a staff member of R.W. Thorpe and
Associates. Mr. Thorpe indicated that he was there to respond to
any questions the audience or Commission might have and that any
written comments received would be given the same consideration as
comments made at the meeting.
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Mark Carpenter - stated that he owned property adjacent to the
annexation and requested the inclusion of his property in the
annexation. Tim Schlosser indicated that it was logically possible
to include the property and questioned the legality of adding Mr.
Carpenter's property. Stamm replied that he would like a day or
two to examine the issue and stated that if included as part of the
annexation it would also have to be included in the final EIS.
Dennis Su - proponent representative indicated that he would take
the matter under consideration.
Peter Paulson - asked if Manke Road was included in the annexation.
Tim Schlosser replied that Manke Rd was not included.
Bob Golphnee - Rainier School District Superintendent, read a
letter to the Commission expressing concerns about the impact of
the proposed SW Yelm Annexation on the Rainier School District. He
stated that a portion of the annexation is located within Rainier
School District boundaries and indicated that statute mandates each
incorporated city or town to be comprlsed in a single school
district. Exceptions may require invoking the jurisdiction of the
State Board of Education as per RCW 28A.315.
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Mr. Golphnee requested that Yelm declare if their intent is to
change the property in question to the Yelm School District. He
requested that the interests of the Rainier School District be
considered and that the district be kept fully informed of all
progress related to the annexation.
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Jim Keyes requested that Mr. Golphnee indicate on the map which
property was within the Rainier School District. Mr. Golphnee
indicated "Section 27".
Tom Gorman asked the percentage of total assessed value for the
district from the parcels falling within the proposed annexation.
Mr. Golphnee replied that he did not have that information.
Dennis Su indicated that the Rainier School District portion was an
isolated sector within the SW Yelm Annexation boundaries and that
no residences exist on the property. He added that when the state
drew school district boundaries for some reason Section 27 as well
as part of Ft. Lewis was placed in the Rainier School District.
Gene Borges added that the issue of school district boundaries had
been discussed one to two years ago. The annexation proponents
were aware of the issue and had been in contact with the Yelm
School District.
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Ed Kenney - Commented on the Wastewater Facility Section, in both
the Draft EIS and Appendices. Mr. Kenney indicated that it was his
belief that sewer was not feasible as presented on page 114 (EIS)
much less with the projected five-fold increase. He stated that
the NPDES Permit was still being sought and that regulatory
agencies considered Yelm's plan to be marginally acceptable for
Yelm's current population. He stated that the proposed lagoon would
treat just 65% of the sewage and that most individuals, fishing
groups, citizen's groups, agencies have a problem with that level
of treatment. He stated that Yelm would have a lot of problems
trying to increase the amount of discharge going into the canal. He
suggested that the entire section be reworked and stated that a lot
of the figures didn't add up.
Robert Thorpe, R. W. Thorpe and Associates, requested that Mr.
Kenney slow his presentation so notes could be taken of his
comments.
Mr. Kenney then addressed the concurrency portion of the
document, Table 18 (pg. 125) in the back of the EIS, he stated that
it was very brief, and that he (Mr. Kenney) didn't think it was
very well figured out. He questioned the figure of 5,50.0. units @
$1800/unit = $9,90.0.,0.0.0. and stated that he didn't believe it was
fair to laymen to not identify what a unit actually is. He asked
if a unit was an onsite step system that goes to the main plant?
He thought there would be a lot more detailed information in the
documents.
Tim Schlosser asked if there were any additional comments from the
audience or Commissioners.
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Ed Kenney - asked if anyone wanted to respond to his questions.
Robert Thorpe stated that Dana Mower was not able to attend this
evening. Thorpe thought that he understood Mr. Kenney's questions
and that a graphic showing systems may be necessary. He will
provide a draft to Mr. Kenney to see if he is headed in the right
direction.
Tom Gorman inquired about stormwater drainage (page 119). He had
been on the property and asked which of the alternatives appealed
to the proponent as a lot of surface water doesn't run-off into
Thompson Creek; it accumulates in depressions where it eventually
evaporates or runs-off.
Dennis Su stated that he did not have an immediate answer as the
final layout for the site had not been determined. It would depend
on wetlands use of open space etc. and probably would be
combination of all.
Tim Schlosser questioned the percentage of responsibility for
increased traffic and road improvements.
Bob Hazlett stated that the amount of traffic reflected in the
document was that expected to be on the road if the development
scenario took place. Responsibility was addressed in the Yelm
Comprehensive Transportation Plan.
The Public Hearing was closed at 7:50. P.M.
The audience was reminded of the 11 day period for written comment.
The Planning Commission will follow up on this issue at their
February 1, 1993 work session at 4:0.0. p.m., in the Yelm City Hall
Council Chambers.
Meeting adjourned at 7:55 P.M.
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