20140164 Emails - Parking
Tami Merriman
From:Tom Sanford [TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent:Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:40 AM
To:Tami Merriman; Gary Carlson; Ryan Johnstone
Cc:jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; BKerr@OlyFed.com
Subject:Olympia Federal Savings, Eagle Plaza - Parking Lot Revisions and Turning Movements
Attachments:995.02 AutoTurn Stall 6.pdf; 995.02 AutoTurn Stall 1.pdf; 995.02 AutoTurn Stall 2.pdf;
995.02 AutoTurn Stall 3.pdf; 995.02 AutoTurn Stall 4.pdf; 995.02 AutoTurn Stall 5.pdf;
995.02 X AutoTurn on existing stall.pdf; 13-133-A1.20 ENLARGED SITE PLAN _R1.pdf
Tami, Gary & Ryan
Per Tami’s review letter for the Oly Fed Yelm project, we have made the following revisions to the site plan:
1.New parking stalls have been lengthened to 20’.
2.ADA stall has been reduced to 8’ wide.
3.Access aisle adjacent to ADA stall has been widened to 8’.
4.Bumper blocks have been added to the 5 non-ADA stalls, and
5.Auto-turn studies have been included for the new parking area.
In the auto-turn study diagrams, stall number 1 might have the greatest concern. It takes a couple of
movements for a larger vehicle to back and depart. However, Jim Gibson’s diagrams show it is no worse than
any of the standard stalls currently designed in the adjacent, shared, parking lot.
At another corner of the site, can you tell me if the City finds it acceptable to use the proposed laurel hedge
(shown on the submitted landscape plan) to block car headlights, in lieu of building another stone wall?
Thanks for your review.
Tom
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
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From: Jim Gibson [mailto:jimg@scjalliance.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:12 PM
To: Tom Sanford
Subject: Olympia Federal - Parking Lot Turning Movements
Tom -
Attached to this email is our draft exhibits of the Auto Turn Simulation for the Olympia Federal Savings parking lot. The
exhibits show that some of the stalls are just as difficult as a standard 90 degree stall. Even the City's standard 20' stall,
23' drive aisle takes a few back and forth's to successfully negotiate the parking stalls.
Jim Gibson, PE
Project Manager
p. 360.352.1465 c. 360.951.1454
SCJ Alliance
www.scjalliance.com
NOTE: Olympia office has moved to: 8730 Tallon Lane NE, Suite 200, Lacey, WA 98516-6642
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Tami Merriman
From:Jim Gibson [jimg@scjalliance.com]
Sent:Monday, April 21, 2014 9:49 AM
To:Tami Merriman
Subject:RE: Oly Fed preliminary site plan (2nd Edition)
Attachments:13-133-A1 10 SITE PLAN 2014-04-17 13-133-A1.pdf; 13-133-A1.10 Enlarged SITE PLAN
2014-04-18.pdf
Tami –
Hope you had a good weekend!
Thanks for the comments below. I sent the City’s comments to the project architect and he worked to revise the site
plan to try accommodate the requests listed below. We have attached a revised site plan for additional review. If you
would take a minute to offer any additional comments or feedback, we are ready to begin the SPR submittal package.
Thanks for your help.
Jim Gibson, PE
Project Manager
p. 360.352.1465 c. 360.951.1454
SCJ Alliance / Shea Carr Jewell
From: Tami Merriman [mailto:tamim@ci.yelm.wa.us]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 4:49 PM
To: Jim Gibson
Cc: Grant Beck; Ryan Johnstone
Subject: Oly Fed preliminary site plan
Jim
The Community Development Department has reviewed the preliminary site plan for Olympia Federal
Savings, proposed for Building Pad 3, at the Eagle Plaza Binding Site Plan. The project concept was
a mixed use development with common facilities such as parking, stormwater collection and
treatment, refuse areas, and circulation.
The Department offers the following initial comments:
The preliminary site plan submitted for the drive through bank shows a building and use that is
separated from rest of the development by a drive through and parking lot. A concern for the site
plan review will be how pedestrians and vehicles interact with the rest of the site. ADA access will be
required from the common parking lot to the building.
The entire site was reviewed for minimum parking requirements. The 7 parking stalls as proposed
directly abut an adjacent building pad. A minimum of 8 feet will be required between any parking
stalls and building pads.
Private landscape islands should not encroach into common areas.
Adequate turning radius will be required from the main entrance to the project into the northern most
drive lane.
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The drive through along north and eastern property lines will need to be well screened from adjacent
travel lanes for both aesthetic and glare reasons.
Thanks for letting us take a look.
Tami Merriman
Associate Planner
City of Yelm
105 Yelm Ave. W
Yelm, WA 98597
(360) 458-8496
tamim@ci.yelm.wa.us
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Tami Merriman
From:Ryan Johnstone
Sent:Tuesday, September 09, 2014 9:14 AM
To:Tom Sanford
Cc:Grant Beck; Tami Merriman; Gary Carlson; jimg@scjalliance.com
Subject:RE: Olympia Federal, Yelm Branch
Attachments:2014-09-08 Parking Sketch 5.pdf
Regarding the parking changes, I have no additional comments and am fine with the adjustment made as shown on the
attached drawing. Regarding architectural concerns, Grant or Tami would have to speak to those.
Thanks
Ryan
Ryan Johnstone, P.E.
Public Works Director
City of Yelm
901 Rhoton Rd. | Yelm, WA 98597
ryanj@ci.yelm.wa.us
p: 360-458-8406
From: Tom Sanford [mailto:TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 4:23 PM
To: Ryan Johnstone
Cc: Grant Beck; Tami Merriman; Gary Carlson; jimg@scjalliance.com
Subject: Olympia Federal, Yelm Branch
Ryan – Since I met with you last Wednesday, I have been working with the owner to gain their agreement on
the project site plan. The design proposed at that meeting was not their favorite and they particularly did not
like the potential of someone backing out of the handicap stall and backing into someone trying to exit from
drive-up lane. The asked me to line up all the stalls along the property line as per the attached drawing. It’s a
little different than our discussion, but I think this is actually an improvement. Hopefully this arrangement
remains acceptable and I can get the civil engineer started on his changes. Let me know if you have any
further concerns. I know there is a list of civil concerns Jim Gibson is working on; are there any other
architectural concerns that I need to address? Thanks.
Tom
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
510 capitol way south, olympia, wa 98501
360 943 6774 x 102 www.msgsarch.com
toms@msgsarch.com
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Tami Merriman
From:Ryan Johnstone
Sent:Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:55 PM
To:Tom Sanford
Cc:Tami Merriman; Grant Beck
Subject:RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Attachments:2014-09-02 Parking Revision Sketch.pdf
Tom,
Thanks for the diagram. Let's discuss this week. Our Site Plan Review committee meeting agenda this week looks pretty
light so why don't you stop by City Hall at 2 pm tomorrow so we can review.
Tami,
If this doesn't work, let me know and we can schedule another time.
Thanks
Ryan
Ryan Johnstone, P.E.
Public Works Director
City of Yelm
901 Rhoton Rd. | Yelm, WA 98597
ryanj@ci.yelm.wa.us
p: 360-458-8406
From: Tom Sanford [mailto:TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 2:25 PM
To: Ryan Johnstone
Subject: RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Ryan – I forgot to add – Is it be possible to meet with you to discuss this and any other options?
Tom
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
From: Tom Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 2:22 PM
To: 'Ryan Johnstone'
Subject: RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Ryan – Thanks for your response. I’ve discussed the concerns with Jim Gibson, project civil engineer. While we
may have made some improvements, Jim feels the Autoturn radius study will not show much different than the
previous scheme. At least one stall will require a double movement to exit the parking lot.
However the client still requires a handful of stalls near the bank’s main entry for customer and secure vehicle
use. For 90% of the time, this small group of stalls is all the bank needs beyond employee parking. They have
always required me to place them as near to the front entry as possible. The bank may not appreciate my
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sharing another diagram with you, but I have wondered if placing the stalls along the SW property line and
using the existing parking lane would be acceptable. I can still get 5 stalls plus the 8’ ADA access aisle with this
design. I believe this would meet all the turning radius concerns since the current drive aisle is very wide at this
location (40’).
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
From: Ryan Johnstone [mailto:ryanj@ci.yelm.wa.us]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 3:22 PM
To: Tom Sanford; Tami Merriman; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; Grant Beck; BKerr@OlyFed.com
Subject: RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tom,
Long story short, the objection comes from the fact that it looks as though several of the spaces will require multiple
movements to get out of the lot. It seems that the emphasis in that area should be to provide a couple ADA accessible
spaces only and take advantage of the parking area already available. The Autoturn movements showed that the lot as
designed didn't function well during the first review. I can see that some changes were made to the design this time
around but without knowing where the wheel paths are from the vehicles using the lot it's hard to tell whether the
changes alleviated the issue. If you have the Autoturn diagrams for this revision, it would be helpful to review those as
well.
Thanks
Ryan
Ryan Johnstone, P.E.
Public Works Director
City of Yelm
901 Rhoton Rd. | Yelm, WA 98597
ryanj@ci.yelm.wa.us
p: 360-458-8406
From: Tom Sanford [mailto:TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 3:09 PM
To: Tami Merriman; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; Grant Beck; BKerr@OlyFed.com
Subject: RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tami, Ryan, Gary, Grant – Jim Gibson and I are having difficulty understanding the objections to the parking
area. Is there a time next week when I can sit down with any or all of you to discuss the concerns and offer
other options? I think sooner the better so the process can keep moving forward. Thanks.
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
From: Tami Merriman [mailto:tamim@ci.yelm.wa.us]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:13 PM
To: Tom Sanford; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; Grant Beck
Subject: RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
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Tom
The site plan review committee looked over the proposed changes to the parking area.
The ADA stall is not acceptable, as the van accessible striping is on the wrong side.
The vehicle movement issues with the stalls on the opposite side have not changed.
We will not approve this proposal.
Tami Merriman
Associate Planner
City of Yelm
105 Yelm Ave. W
Yelm, WA 98597
(360) 458-8496
tamim@ci.yelm.wa.us
From: Tom Sanford [mailto:TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:31 PM
To: Tami Merriman; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com
Subject: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tami, Ryan and Gary –
Jim Gibson of SCA has shared with me comments that have come City of Yelm regarding the final site plan for
the Olympia Federal project. From his description, it appears that concerns remain regarding the arrangement
of the small, six stall parking lot near the new building front door. In response I have prepared a potential
revision (attached). This proposal matches all the critical dimensions of the parking lots already built at Eagle
Plaza and drive and stalls are all at 90 degree angles to each other. This plan loses one more parking stall,
which my client will not appreciate, but I believe it may be workable.
If you have a chance to review this sketch at your site plan review meeting tomorrow, Jim and I would
appreciate any feedback so the project can move forward. Thank you for your help.
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
510 capitol way south, olympia, wa 98501
360 943 6774 x 102 www.msgsarch.com
toms@msgsarch.com
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Tami Merriman
From:Ryan Johnstone
Sent:Friday, August 29, 2014 3:22 PM
To:Tom Sanford; Tami Merriman; Gary Carlson
Cc:jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; Grant Beck; BKerr@OlyFed.com
Subject:RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tom,
Long story short, the objection comes from the fact that it looks as though several of the spaces will require multiple
movements to get out of the lot. It seems that the emphasis in that area should be to provide a couple ADA accessible
spaces only and take advantage of the parking area already available. The Autoturn movements showed that the lot as
designed didn't function well during the first review. I can see that some changes were made to the design this time
around but without knowing where the wheel paths are from the vehicles using the lot it's hard to tell whether the
changes alleviated the issue. If you have the Autoturn diagrams for this revision, it would be helpful to review those as
well.
Thanks
Ryan
Ryan Johnstone, P.E.
Public Works Director
City of Yelm
901 Rhoton Rd. | Yelm, WA 98597
ryanj@ci.yelm.wa.us
p: 360-458-8406
From: Tom Sanford [mailto:TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 3:09 PM
To: Tami Merriman; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; Grant Beck; BKerr@OlyFed.com
Subject: RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tami, Ryan, Gary, Grant – Jim Gibson and I are having difficulty understanding the objections to the parking
area. Is there a time next week when I can sit down with any or all of you to discuss the concerns and offer
other options? I think sooner the better so the process can keep moving forward. Thanks.
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
From: Tami Merriman [mailto:tamim@ci.yelm.wa.us]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:13 PM
To: Tom Sanford; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; Grant Beck
Subject: RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tom
The site plan review committee looked over the proposed changes to the parking area.
The ADA stall is not acceptable, as the van accessible striping is on the wrong side.
The vehicle movement issues with the stalls on the opposite side have not changed.
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We will not approve this proposal.
Tami Merriman
Associate Planner
City of Yelm
105 Yelm Ave. W
Yelm, WA 98597
(360) 458-8496
tamim@ci.yelm.wa.us
From: Tom Sanford [mailto:TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:31 PM
To: Tami Merriman; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com
Subject: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tami, Ryan and Gary –
Jim Gibson of SCA has shared with me comments that have come City of Yelm regarding the final site plan for
the Olympia Federal project. From his description, it appears that concerns remain regarding the arrangement
of the small, six stall parking lot near the new building front door. In response I have prepared a potential
revision (attached). This proposal matches all the critical dimensions of the parking lots already built at Eagle
Plaza and drive and stalls are all at 90 degree angles to each other. This plan loses one more parking stall,
which my client will not appreciate, but I believe it may be workable.
If you have a chance to review this sketch at your site plan review meeting tomorrow, Jim and I would
appreciate any feedback so the project can move forward. Thank you for your help.
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
510 capitol way south, olympia, wa 98501
360 943 6774 x 102 www.msgsarch.com
toms@msgsarch.com
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Tami Merriman
From:Tom Sanford [TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent:Friday, August 29, 2014 3:09 PM
To:Tami Merriman; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc:jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; Grant Beck; BKerr@OlyFed.com
Subject:RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tami, Ryan, Gary, Grant – Jim Gibson and I are having difficulty understanding the objections to the parking
area. Is there a time next week when I can sit down with any or all of you to discuss the concerns and offer
other options? I think sooner the better so the process can keep moving forward. Thanks.
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
From: Tami Merriman [mailto:tamim@ci.yelm.wa.us]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:13 PM
To: Tom Sanford; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com; Grant Beck
Subject: RE: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tom
The site plan review committee looked over the proposed changes to the parking area.
The ADA stall is not acceptable, as the van accessible striping is on the wrong side.
The vehicle movement issues with the stalls on the opposite side have not changed.
We will not approve this proposal.
Tami Merriman
Associate Planner
City of Yelm
105 Yelm Ave. W
Yelm, WA 98597
(360) 458-8496
tamim@ci.yelm.wa.us
From: Tom Sanford [mailto:TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:31 PM
To: Tami Merriman; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc: jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com
Subject: Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Tami, Ryan and Gary –
Jim Gibson of SCA has shared with me comments that have come City of Yelm regarding the final site plan for
the Olympia Federal project. From his description, it appears that concerns remain regarding the arrangement
of the small, six stall parking lot near the new building front door. In response I have prepared a potential
revision (attached). This proposal matches all the critical dimensions of the parking lots already built at Eagle
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Plaza and drive and stalls are all at 90 degree angles to each other. This plan loses one more parking stall,
which my client will not appreciate, but I believe it may be workable.
If you have a chance to review this sketch at your site plan review meeting tomorrow, Jim and I would
appreciate any feedback so the project can move forward. Thank you for your help.
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
510 capitol way south, olympia, wa 98501
360 943 6774 x 102 www.msgsarch.com
toms@msgsarch.com
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Tami Merriman
From:Tom Sanford [TomS@msgsarch.com]
Sent:Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:31 PM
To:Tami Merriman; Ryan Johnstone; Gary Carlson
Cc:jimg@scjalliance.com; don-johnson@ajcocontractors.com
Subject:Olympia Federal Yelm Branch - civil site review
Attachments:2014-08-26 Parking Revision Sketch.pdf
Tami, Ryan and Gary –
Jim Gibson of SCA has shared with me comments that have come City of Yelm regarding the final site plan for
the Olympia Federal project. From his description, it appears that concerns remain regarding the arrangement
of the small, six stall parking lot near the new building front door. In response I have prepared a potential
revision (attached). This proposal matches all the critical dimensions of the parking lots already built at Eagle
Plaza and drive and stalls are all at 90 degree angles to each other. This plan loses one more parking stall,
which my client will not appreciate, but I believe it may be workable.
If you have a chance to review this sketch at your site plan review meeting tomorrow, Jim and I would
appreciate any feedback so the project can move forward. Thank you for your help.
Thomas J Sanford AIA LEEDap
architects
msgs
510 capitol way south, olympia, wa 98501
360 943 6774 x 102 www.msgsarch.com
toms@msgsarch.com
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